Christmas changing to 'Winterval'.

[RedStratocas]

I didn't mean it like that. I meant it to do with rights like I said in that post.

What rights are being taken away from you?

[Mentor]

Winterval... First off thats the stupidist name ive ever heard, *** is winterval? couldnt they have come up with something a little better?

More on topic, the whole issue is stupid. Most Muslims have no problem with christmas, most of them even celibrate it (family/presents) aspects, The Religious connotaions are an exstra, those who are religious are free to do. Im not one of them, i might add.

The Real issue here is that it is NOT muslims asking for this, No its actualy White Male Christans whom are trying to be policaly correct and telling people that they want this and the other, without actualy checking to find out if anyone does.

People have many belifes, what makes briatin free, is that EVERYONE has the right, to celibrate, talk about and practis what ever they like in that respect, from Id al-Fitr to christmas (both are actualy quite simlar in many respects except for the religion its assosiated with). Thats What i think the essents of britain is, Thats what multriculturlsim is.

Nowdays this freedom is slowly seeping away, Mostly becuse of ignorace, and a litral Fear of race related issues, Public figures are to scared to make any issues today that they could lead to them beening accused of being racist. Take the comments on the vails by jack straw, he was attacked by a media frenzy.
But who had the problem with it? A very small number of People with very little idea what there talking about for the most part. One responce to the issue, that i found VERY engligtening is as follows

The so called Muslim groups who are raving over Jack Straw ‘s decision to politely ask Muslim women wearing a nikab(the veil covering the face)to unveil are ignorant of the fundamental tenets of true Islam. Some Islamic psychos and schizos just like picking quarrels at the slightest hint of any Western criticism of their erroneous practices of Islam.

Aisha bint Talha the sweetheart of Prophet Muhammad even went out without a veil!

Beyond the Near East, the practice of hiding one's face and largely living in seclusion appeared in classical Greece, in the Byzantine Christian world, in Persia, and in India among upper caste Rajput women. Muslims in their first century at first were relaxed about female dress. When the son of a prominent companion of the Prophet asked his wife Aisha bint Talha to veil her face, she answered, "Since the Almighty hath put on me the stamp of beauty, it is my wish that the public should view the beauty and thereby recognized His grace unto them. On no account, therefore, will I veil myself."
The Source


"Since the Almighty hath put on me the stamp of beauty, it is my wish that the public should view the beauty and thereby recognized His grace unto them. On no account, therefore, will I veil myself," said Aisha bint Talha.

This adds some previosly unknown context to the issue does it not?

Due to this fear in socilety now days, Theres a pretty much BAN anything that could possible be construed as offencive to any person imagainable.
A proof of how bad this is, is in the fact that its actualy impolicatly correct to use the term "policaly correct"...

Christmas, and any other festival, celibration or what ever SHOULD be allowed. Freedom is something i hold as VERY important. These sorts of moves do nothing to help it "/

[-Wolverine]

Winterval... First off thats the stupidist name ive ever heard, *** is winterval? couldnt they have come up with something a little better?

More on topic, the whole issue is stupid. Most Muslims have no problem with christmas, most of them even celibrate it (family/presents) aspects, The Religious connotaions are an exstra, those who are religious are free to do. Im not one of them, i might add.

The Real issue here is that it is NOT muslims asking for this, No its actualy White Male Christans whom are trying to be policaly correct and telling people that they want this and the other, without actualy checking to find out if anyone does.

People have many belifes, what makes briatin free, is that EVERYONE has the right, to celibrate, talk about and practis what ever they like in that respect, from Id al-Fitr to christmas (both are actualy quite simlar in many respects except for the religion its assosiated with). Thats What i think the essents of britain is, Thats what multriculturlsim is.

Nowdays this freedom is slowly seeping away, Mostly becuse of ignorace, and a litral Fear of race related issues, Public figures are to scared to make any issues today that they could lead to them beening accused of being racist. Take the comments on the vails by jack straw, he was attacked by a media frenzy.
But who had the problem with it? A very small number of People with very little idea what there talking about for the most part. One responce to the issue, that i found VERY engligtening is as follows



This adds some previosly unknown context to the issue does it not?

Due to this fear in socilety now days, Theres a pretty much BAN anything that could possible be construed as offencive to any person imagainable.
A proof of how bad this is, is in the fact that its actualy impolicatly correct to use the term "policaly correct"...

Christmas, and any other festival, celibration or what ever SHOULD be allowed. Freedom is something i hold as VERY important. These sorts of moves do nothing to help it "/

This is what I was trying to say RedStratocas, I couldn't really come up with the words for it lol .. thanks Mentor.

[Mentor]

They come our country, live on benifits, basically living on our money.

And now they expect us to change OUR religious beliefs because of them?

No, more accurately, they come to out Country, Make up the numbers of docters and other profeconals we so despertly need and contribute around 3.6 Billion to are econemy.

Then you blame the entire community based on the actions of a few fundamentalists, ignoring fasts such as there are Most Christan Terrorists than muslim ones in the world.

You see, the real world is a little differnt the whats in BNP's manifesto...

[RedStratocas]

Winterval... First off thats the stupidist name ive ever heard, *** is winterval? couldnt they have come up with something a little better?

More on topic, the whole issue is stupid. Most Muslims have no problem with christmas, most of them even celibrate it (family/presents) aspects, The Religious connotaions are an exstra, those who are religious are free to do. Im not one of them, i might add.

The Real issue here is that it is NOT muslims asking for this, No its actualy White Male Christans whom are trying to be policaly correct and telling people that they want this and the other, without actualy checking to find out if anyone does.

People have many belifes, what makes briatin free, is that EVERYONE has the right, to celibrate, talk about and practis what ever they like in that respect, from Id al-Fitr to christmas (both are actualy quite simlar in many respects except for the religion its assosiated with). Thats What i think the essents of britain is, Thats what multriculturlsim is.

Nowdays this freedom is slowly seeping away, Mostly becuse of ignorace, and a litral Fear of race related issues, Public figures are to scared to make any issues today that they could lead to them beening accused of being racist. Take the comments on the vails by jack straw, he was attacked by a media frenzy.
But who had the problem with it? A very small number of People with very little idea what there talking about for the most part. One responce to the issue, that i found VERY engligtening is as follows



This adds some previosly unknown context to the issue does it not?

Due to this fear in socilety now days, Theres a pretty much BAN anything that could possible be construed as offencive to any person imagainable.
A proof of how bad this is, is in the fact that its actualy impolicatly correct to use the term "policaly correct"...

Christmas, and any other festival, celibration or what ever SHOULD be allowed. Freedom is something i hold as VERY important. These sorts of moves do nothing to help it "/

Agreed. I am not mad at the muslims who caused this as much as I am the christians who allowed it. One ban on something that a group of people finds offencive, leads to other things being banned.

Entor makes everything clear

[Herman]

I'm just saying this. Over here in singapore, we have people of all sorts of religions, muslims, christians, buddhists, hindus and much more, and people of all sorts of races. We have been taught since young to respect and accept other people's culture and beliefs.

We have been living in peace for many years. When christmas decorations are being put up in public places, the people of other religions don't complain. When eid decorations are being put up, the people of other religions don't complain either. It goes the same for diwali, chinese new year, etc.

During the religious celebrations, the people even invite others of a different religion to come celebrate with them. I've seen christians celebrating eid with muslims, muslims celebrating christmas with their christian friends etc. If we can do it, why can't you? I'm just saying this, not trying to find an argument or whatever.

[:Hazel]

All I can say is what is the world coming to? Bloody wintervel. :rolleyes:

[Zuar]

I am bloody FED UP of muslims and other cultures, barging into england, which is a CHRISTIANIC country, wrecking all our celebrations and ruining it all. They get things like Diwali, let us have Christmas... If they don't like it, they should go back to THEIR country.

I strongly agree.
They all reckon there great,
and they come to our schools,
wear head dresses etc,
who do they think they are,
and if we wear a cap,
we get told off,
we should just kill them all,
if tony blair would just get off his ***,
also if some of the old kings and queens of the UK,
was around now it would be great !
But if they knew about what was happening,
they would flip,
and giving the british empire back was another bad thing.

Enough said.

[RedStratocas]

we should just kill them all,

Christmas's name has been changed? GET THE GUN! Those very few people in the world are trying to be politically correct, and are trying to change something that has no meaning, and not effect on you at all! They deserve to die!

also if some of the old kings and queens of the UK,
was around now it would be great !

Oh yeah, because we all know how equal and happy everyone was for all of time in england, right?

[deltateamaplha]

I'm outraged at this! I for one am a Christian and Chritmas is a very important date for Christians. I would not like to call Christianity a Religion because it's a friendship. Anyway back to the point ! How dare they do this! They can't change it to Winterval THEY CAN'T change the day Jesus was born. Pffft they will never take the meaning of it away. It's just politics trying to make everything politically correct! Soon there will be no easter, all Celebrations and festivails will have different names so no one will get offended. I mean do me grunt and moan and try to get Muslims to rename Eid? eh I did'nt think so thats my point made!