Rare Values needs reform

[Dean]

So how will the department be reformed?

[Xtina]

Yeah, I would like to know too :rolleyes:

[Pigperson]

I really think we have improved a lot and we are doing even more now.

Firstly thanks to everyone who pointed out flaws.

- We have sorted out missing images and are working on the rest
- We are planning to rearrange the staff roles to make it so we have more updates each week
- Sam had a good idea to have a thread to discuss value suggestions which will regularly be checked and acted upon. There will be an additional RV reward to the top contributor each month as well as the one for the Report Values Forum.
- We have our apps open and we are hoping to get more staff to update more values and we already have a good amount of Furni Editor applicants who will help sorting out missing furni

I probably have forgotten to say something but yeh, bad memory (A)

Will

[Netaxes]

So I'm not 100% sure how the department still works but when I was RVM, I found that having only one person updating the values worked well if they kept up and updated them regularly. I remember when I was RVM, I would constantly be editing values throughout the day, which is what the manager should be doing. If there are multiple people updating values, the value may not get changed at all (For example, manager raises the price from 4HC to 5HC, assistant manager decreases price from 5HC to 4HC).

I'm going to have to agree that having RVR, TE, HRVR and now a furni editor is way to many roles. Keep it simple, have some of the Rare Values Reporters have a part time job of making sure all rares are on the site and the pictures are up to date. Then, all you need really is this sort of structure:

Manager (Only people allowed to update the values)
Assistant Manager (Can only touch the values if the manager is away)
Head Rare Values Reporters (Similar to a supervisor for a real job)
Rare Values Reporters (Similar to a entry level position for a real job)

This keep the department simple and effective and one person updates the values so they actually get updated!

[Pigperson]

So I'm not 100% sure how the department still works but when I was RVM, I found that having only one person updating the values worked well if they kept up and updated them regularly. I remember when I was RVM, I would constantly be editing values throughout the day, which is what the manager should be doing. If there are multiple people updating values, the value may not get changed at all (For example, manager raises the price from 4HC to 5HC, assistant manager decreases price from 5HC to 4HC).

I'm going to have to agree that having RVR, TE, HRVR and now a furni editor is way to many roles. Keep it simple, have some of the Rare Values Reporters have a part time job of making sure all rares are on the site and the pictures are up to date. Then, all you need really is this sort of structure:

Manager (Only people allowed to update the values)
Assistant Manager (Can only touch the values if the manager is away)
Head Rare Values Reporters (Similar to a supervisor for a real job)
Rare Values Reporters (Similar to a entry level position for a real job)

This keep the department simple and effective and one person updates the values so they actually get updated!

We have requested that in the future the value updates can be grouped by furni so we don't make 2 value edits at the same time.

A few months ago we created a sub-forum for RVRs to help with missing images but it seemed that the speed of adding was much slower than the speed that new furni was coming out. After some feedback, we found out that RVRs didn't have time or struggled to do so. Hence why we have introduced the Furni Editor following a suggestion from an Ex-RV Manager. It is proving successful with a healthy amount of applicants (hence why we closed the apps for it after a day) and we have already had many images fixed that were broken. Also we are soon to remove the Expert rank.

Will

PS. Hiya Ryan Don't have turkey this christmas, have chicken x

[Andii]

lmao sam is this cause i was talking to your bf one time on msn haha not sure what im reading but WOOP WOOP GO ME i got a mention haha

[-Danube-]

I think any talk of trying to find someone to 'blame' for the so called dimise of RV should stop really, it's not helping anything and to be fair there is no one person to blame, the main thing to blame is the habbo marketplace really.

Also some people seem to think a furni museum/database is a good idea, whereas others think its pointless. Just a little reason why it's not pointless and will be used by many people, not just traders. For example alot of people will use it as a resourse to gather habbo related image (furni images) for doing graphic tasks, whether this be Habbox Staff or just any person who is interested in graphics, for example in a thread about Rare Values this was said:

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthrea...55#post7569355

Then there are the people who like to find out information and just browse through furniture, like myself when i played Habbo. There is this guide on Habbo Rator:

http://www.habborator.org/furniture/v7.html

And i would find myself looking through all the furni for a long time and hovering over to find out little bits of information about furniture, i especially find it interesting to read about scripted furniture and super rare furniture like the White Parasol and where i can be spotted. There were links from thoses pages to other parts of the Habbo Rator website to read about something else or listen to the sounds that Trax discs made. This meant by just having a mini Furniture Museum on the site it was helping to bounce traffic around the site. Habbo Rators Furni Guide is good, but it's missing ALOT of furniture, it doesn't include values and loads of other stuff.

Like Will said, you can add other information about whether an item of furni can be stacked or not and then link to a stacking guide on Habbox.com. The list goes on about what information you can supply about furniture, theres loads of little interesting bits of information about furniture out there.

I think you also need to persue the Habbox Marketplace in V7 @HotelUser Started something for V6, but like David said, he is only 1 man. A Habbox Marketplace will be great and it offers a place for people to sell their Furniture free of charge, something that rivals the Habbo Marketplace. It would have to be highly moderated though, to ensure people are not abusing it and are actually going through with the trades they make.

Another way you can make the Habbox Marketplace different to the Habbo Marketplace is you can get people to post what they are BUYING not just what they are SELLING, therefore if someone is just browsing the wanted section of the Habbox Marketplace they can send a message to that user and tell them that they own that item of furni and are willing to sell it to them for that price. The Habbo Marketplace does not offer this feature and it only allows you to sell an item, if the item you are looking for isn't being sold you have to then look around Furniture shops, but you could capitalise on this and get people to check the Habbox Marketplace if they can't find it on Habbo It's all about challenging the Habbo Marketplace as thats our biggest rival.


I also think though that if you go through with making a Furniture Database type thing (which makes sense if you are starting to hire Furni Editors, they need something to do each week so may as well start building a database, and it wouldnt be that hard as most of the items of furniture are already updated). You should get something coded so that people can view the Rare Values in the old style way, so they can just view a full page of Normal Rares (with just small sprite images and price underneath) and then a full page of Super Rares with just small sprite image and price. This is a feature i wanted with V6 because the old style had been removed, but again David is only one person and didn't have enough time. I think you need to have something where you can filter out the rest of the furniture in the database so that hard core trades can just see the values.

[Pigperson]

Yeh @-Danube- I do like the idea of a furni database in addition to values and it would be an additional role for Furni Editors when there is little work to do. I think fields such as Stackable? Tradable? etc. would be good, not sure what else to have because it is hard to get info for some and it would be bad to have an inconsistent database.

I think the marketplace is something that we really want and we are hoping to do what you say where you can put a buying as well as selling and also select the quantity for sale or wanted.

Will

[Fifty-Six]

How would the marketplace function? Would it be like we have now on the forums only more structured and with iTrader? People keep talking about a Habbox Marketplace but aren't really explaining it in detail.

[-Danube-]

How would the marketplace function? Would it be like we have now on the forums only more structured and with iTrader? People keep talking about a Habbox Marketplace but aren't really explaining it in detail.

It was actually created at the start of V6, but highly unfinished.

Basically people will list items which they have for sale, or items they want to buy and state a price. Not sure if people will Bid or if it's just a buy it now type of thing. I do know that when HotelUser created the basics Habbox Marketplace at the start of V6 (before it was abandonded) it was intergrated into the Habbox Rare Values. So you would search for an item and it would bring up its name, image and the current Habbox Value, you then set the price you wanted for it.

This is another argument for adding every item of furniture to a Habbox Database, so that it can be intergrated into the Habbox Marketplace. Because if we didn't add all the items of furni, some people would be unable to sell some of their items.

EDIT

i know that when i was talking to @HotelUser about creating the Habbox Marketplace he kept bringing up another site for another online game, it was called basil market:

http://www.basilmarket.com/show/auction/15925399

Thats how it works. No idea what maple story is but i'm guessing it has a similar trading thing to Habbo, so a Habbox Marketplace could work under the same principle.