LIVE: Scottish Independence Referendum Results

[-:Undertaker:-]

Should be able to pop on here in the morning and either laugh at the two people that are certain it's going to be a 'Yes' vote, or post 'RIP UK' and see Undertaker writea really long post about how it's the end of absolutely everything

Or sad as I may be, I may just sit back and watch Labour - who created this runaway train of devolution - lose 50 of their safe seats, and laugh.

In any case, whatever the result tonight: the Union is far from safe. English nationalism, if more powers go to Scotland, will be out of the bottle.

[scottish]

So it's best we leave.

[lemons]

i have a feeling it will be a yes

[Red]

Got a bad a bad feeling it is gna be yes waaa

[-:Undertaker:-]

So it's best we leave.

If Scotland wants to be de facto independent with devomax whilst the rest of Great Britain continues to subsidise it with the Barnett formula, paying for defence, foreign embassies and so on then yeah - you should just leave. Enough blackmailing rUK, it's either in or out.

Cameron was right to make it in or out, he's wrong to have withered and created a huge constitional mess by promising yet more devolution.

[Grig]

Just an opinion of mine to add on the economics of this. While I agree that Scotland's yes vote has a lot of grounds, particularly on the fact the Tories get elected with a lot of annoyance from the Scots and the ignorance by aristocratic leaders, the fact is there stability and no economic crisis. Cameron screwed it up for himself by having a black and white yes no vote and acting like a posh **** until ten days before the referendum. But back to my point, I rarely take the economic stance, but can you find me one legitimate example where Salmond has proposed anything realistic. No. His talk about oil and green energy only comes so far. A Chinese wind plant had to downsize due to how unprofitable it was. The fact is, renewable energy is not sustainable business yet. You saw Ireland in recession, and whenever the next economic storm is brewing, Scotland will be as vulnerable and in actual fact much more. This isn't going to be the successes that the Scandinavian countries had when they were independent, this is going to be much more negative.

The major independence success stories link back to either lots of oil or coming out of an oppressive regime. Scotland doesn't fall into either. It's always uncertainty. The stroke of luck comes with a smart leader, a bit of what Lee Kuan Yew did to Singapore- the biggest success story to come from a small independent state. But they had geography on their side and the Scots don't. I'm merely echoing what the SNP say and they are the driving force. Westminster is even worse in their campaign, but the SNP is not much better; I would really like more solid plans with facts, rather than the whole wishy-washy affair that's occurring now.

[-:Undertaker:-]

From the Editor of the Daily Mirror.

Kevin Maguire ‏@Kevin_Maguire 2h

Senior figure in No campaign predicted they'll win 58-42 in Scotland. Yes gone very quiet. We'll see

[Lewis]

Only 45 minutes or so left to vote... Make sure you vote aye. Assuming you can make it on time and make a final decision in that time... hmm.

[scottish]

brb going to vote

[Lewis]

I'm honestly going to be so disappointed if we don't get independence. I do predict there'll be another referendum in around 2030 - 2035 if no wins though.