Christians

[RedStratocas]

Also I think the commandments need to be revised a bit. maybe made a bit longer ^_^

Haha, have you ever seen The History Of The World (Part One)? I love the part where the FIFTEEN commandments are received on 3 stones, and he holds them up and says "I have these 15 commandments that--", and he drops one and it shatters. "I have these 10 commandments..".

Yes, random I know. Just reminded me of that.

[Ezzie.]

That was a very arrogant comment jordan... Ok let me put this straight...
the christian belief is that our life is like a school almost. we learn to choose right from wrong, what to do in our life, if we mess up we can be forgiven but like terrible sins like killing somone for no reason, or a terrible act of cruelty you're going to goto hell so yano.
You know what I like, my teacher gave me this little almost childrens book about heaven and stuff after my dad died, he said no matter what age you can get it. The nicest thing i saw was "and when you go up to the brilliant light you don't remember your pain and suffering only the happy moments in your life, you don't remember how you died" That to me put it clear for me

and to red I never seen that sounds funny :p but the commandments need to be revised. and to the people who "fear god" I don't because i don't have anything to fear? I believe in him and hold him close to my heart *shrugs*

[FlyingJesus]

People who believe god kills people for fun or some sick reason= idiots

What's to say that any god/gods wouldn't? I know that the Christian god (God) isn't portrayed in that aspect, but as I said earlier in this thread, I'm sure everyone has at some point made something, only to destroy it and be amused. If you really think that I'm an idiot, I'd like you to at least back it up.

People who think god will murder people who are homosexuals= it's a touchy subject but if there is any punishment for homosexuallity which i have no problem with is like purgatory like only spending a certain time of punishment if you get me?

Ever been to Sodom? No? That's because your God rained sulphur down onto it and turned all of its inhabitants to salt.

Also I think the commandments need to be revised a bit. maybe made a bit longer ^_^

Why? They're quite clear. If you really need to elaborate on "thou shalt not steal" to understand it, you really shouldn't be a theologian.

the christian belief is that our life is like a school almost. we learn to choose right from wrong, what to do in our life, if we mess up we can be forgiven but like terrible sins like killing somone for no reason, or a terrible act of cruelty you're going to goto hell so yano.

Actually, you're wrong. The Christian faith teaches that all sins, no matter how terrible, can be forgiven, and all you have to do is believe in Jesus. Sounds great to me, I can go around murdering half of England and as long as I believe that some guy got killed a couple of thousand years ago, I'm safe. Also, why is killing more of a sin than any other? It's just one of the Ten Commandments, the other nine are just as bad.

and to the people who "fear god" I don't because i don't have anything to fear? I believe in him and hold him close to my heart *shrugs*

You should still fear and respect him, as the Bible teaches. It really gets to me how many "Christians" don't actually take note of their own teachings.

[Mentor]

Intelligent Design gets me mad. I dont need to explain hopefully.

I have no problem with people of faith, so dont get offended by this: Before hurricane Katrina hit the Gulf Coast, a conservative woman went on Fox News (I think it was Fox) and said that God was trying to punish the homosexuals who make up a great portion the French District in New Orleans. Ironically, after the storm, every part of the city was flooded except the French District. That cracked me up.

What persifcaly does that have to do with ID? ID is stupid since its just an idiotic misconseption of the diffences between faith and sciance.
Your refering to a religios sect of christanty ive currnly forgoten the name of "/

If you read genesis adam's sin caused the human race to be "booted" out of garden of eden, pretty much heaven.

The reason we were given free will was to decide between what we will choose, we haven't earned the right to enter heaven, we must prove it, think of it as a test of faith.

Only threw ignorance can omniptance be opposed to free will. The Christan consept of god, includes omnisciances, As in Knowing the outcome to every action, exvery desion. All Knolage.
Hence GOD already knows what they would do and for them to do it it, would have had to have been his will.
Haveing the choise doesnt conflict with god already knowing the outcome

The natural disasters all boil down to the adam and eve part of genesis, their sins lead us into earth as it is now, where we can feel pain. I will never deny that I am a chrstian I will be for the rest of my life, if i'm wrong? so what? I'd prefer to ascend into heaven knowing I believed in god than to not believe and suffer in hell for it. Also animals are gods creatures too. They dwell in heaven also.

HERATIC! BURN HERE.
If we were in the middle ages that would be the responce to your final sentance
ANIMALS are lesser beings, NOT made in gods image. animals in the bible are vary cleary said to have no SOLE. hence they do NOT go to hevern. Its supposed to be your religion, shoulnt you know this stuff?
PLus, you waste your life preying to a dieaty that doesnt exist, i have a happy and full life.
Death = end.

You wasted yours, i used mine. I think i come out better thankyou very much

It's not a question of who is right and wrong. It's what you believe. My dad before he died used to get whispers in his ear whilst walking to work and just told him to sit at a bench, and he looked at a statue right next to him and it had a phrase of great importance.
He also had a push to talk this woman, who was suffering with extreme depression, with my mum aswell they helped her through it for about a year, but she took ill and couldn't face the world anymore and took her life but that thing knew that pushed my dad to help her, gave her another year of her life with her son.

.... im not actaly sure if your seriosly trying to use that as evidance or justifcation for a god... i mean Comeine.. i dont think that even justifes a responce...

I'm afraid no amount of scientific proof will take me away from my religion although I do believe in the creation theory by darwin.

Then your already away from your religion aint you.
You can belive what you will. But the Truth remains perminat. And The God of the gaps is slowy dieing as i speak

A few points: one day is not 24 hours universally, one of saturns days is 100 earths days i believe? so the people who say the creationism is a fad I believe are pretty dumb.

Actaly, yes it is. You see, Hours also get longer, not just the days. a hour is a 24th of a day you see.
So 24 hours on satten would equal a 100 days here..

Look at a tiny seed, it's planted and say 20 years later it turns into a huge oak.

Well i dont have 20 years free, but im gona have to suggest resiting biolgy

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Edit: to redstratocas, natural disasters are just natural, if god wanted to punish people he wouldn't do it in this life. He'd just send them off to hell...

But god made the earth, he directly influcnces it in christanty. God would have had to have willed the desaster for it to happen. else he could have prevneted it, in his benvolence "/

I understand why people choose not to believe in god, there's so much pain the world and suffering, but alot of it is self bought on, ie world war 2 where the germans decided to bully, they bought murder and death to their own kind!

Your aware thats one of the reasons that DISPROVES GOD.
God is Omniptant
God is Benvolnet.
Therefor there cannot be evil or suffering.

There is suffering. Hence no god.

Going off track I think that the people who fought for world war 1 and 2 and all of the other battles that have happened in our history, theese people must have had somthing guiding them, to face the terror they had to face, you must have had to have a heart of gold.

So gods guideing people to go kill each other .... Wow how nice he is....

Well the person who wrote that believed God controlled the weather. I just found it hillarious, I dont believe what she does.

Thats actually another thing that confused me about some religion. Some people (not everyone, probably not even most) believe that god controls everything, such as weather, and he uses it to punish us. Some people even believe 9/11 was a warning from god. What confuses me about that kind of thing is that if he controls everything like that, why cant he control us from doing the wrong thing?

Again, that isnt everyone, just a question Ive always had twards people who believe that.

Well religion caused 9/11
God didnt stop it.
so all i can conclude is religion is bad, and god doesnt exist...

People who believe god kills people for fun or some sick reason= idiots

Yet the bible shows him doing it quite a few times

People who think god will murder people who are homosexuals= it's a touchy subject but if there is any punishment for homosexuallity which i have no problem with is like purgatory like only spending a certain time of punishment if you get me?

No old testiment says starit to hell and wants them to be stoned to death, Same as if you disobay your parets, a good stoneing, Or work on a sunday, your also stoned to death and go to hell.
You see old testiment gods a little less frindly than the new testiment version

Also I think the commandments need to be revised a bit. maybe made a bit longer ^_^

Also also God is kind of leaving us to fend for ourselves if you need me. You see in bruce almighty? "god" says one of the reasons he doesn't answer most prayers is because people can find the strength in themselves if they just looked into their hearts .

God made those hearts, god made that strengh, God is perfect so could if wished quite easy answer all preyers and avoide anything contradictions or canciling each other out, God being benvoilent would obvioslu do this... but then again he doesnt..

Haha, have you ever seen The History Of The World (Part One)? I love the part where the FIFTEEN commandments are received on 3 stones, and he holds them up and says "I have these 15 commandments that--", and he drops one and it shatters. "I have these 10 commandments..".

Yes, random I know. Just reminded me of that.

In the bible that kinda happend, you see mosis came back with 10, then noticed his followers worshiping another god, since they thoght hed died. So he then made half of them kill there familys as punishment after droping the stone tablets in outrage.
Then comes up with a revised lot, with a few major changes, so god must have changed his mind i guess, within all the makieng his followers slaugter children, as a loveing god always does

[Craig]

Whats the point in having a rubbish life where you can't do any 'wrongs' just to have a nice 'afterlife'? Thats on the concept that there is afterlife. I would personally spend up to 90 years of doing what made me feel happy than to get a 'good afterlife'

[Ezzie.]

Alot of your theories are flawed mentor, you seem to act as if you're right everyone else is wrong? You're sounding like a nazi :s

[Mentor]

Alot of your theories are flawed mentor, you seem to act as if you're right everyone else is wrong? You're sounding like a nazi :s

1) Saying my theories are flawed dont hold any wieght if you dont present any evidance as to WHY, HOW or even which ones....
Also Many of them are this thing called FACT and are not thertical.
2) I suggest you look up the word nazi to prevent futher ignorant misuse
3) if you try reading your own bible you may notice alot of it is just paraphasing of whats in there