Vegetarianism?

[Callum.]

What's everyones views on eating meat? I personally don't really like the taste of meat anymore, used to eat it constantly when i was a lil kid but now not much..

Few reasons dont eat meat nomore:
. taste of it's pretty cack
. How they kill them is just dang! http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...112840&pl=true for example "/

What's everyones views? Post maturely please, and no flaming from either sides ^^

Thanks for the video.

:redface_b

Made me feel sick.

[velvet]

Acctually Blinkey,
Most of that information only applys to red meat, (Beef, steak ect)

[Joe.]

i like quite alot of meat , but used to be a vegi

[FlyingJesus]

They just talked about how apes and dolphans can register pain. Also humans are considered animals but I know you are not talking about them. And Most animals feel pain. Have you ever seen a dog sad because it is sick or hurt. Dogs even get sad when they are lonly.

The cause of pain is a nerve being triggered, and the brain receiving distress signals from it that the body is in danger. It's natural for all forms of life to cry out and react (often violently) in a bid to try to get the thing that's damaging them away from the body. If they can't (because they're ill or injured already) then their primary instinct is to seek help from outside, in the case of domestic animals like dogs as you mentioned they may well seek human intervention by whimpering or acting overly pathetic to make sure that it's known that something's wrong.

Where did this come from. Find me some information saying that plants feel the exact kind of pain as primitive animals. You are saying that plants without brains can feel pain as much as regular animals?

Why would they not? Someone (I think Mentor) said previously about the lack of a frontal lobe in most animals, so their brains, despite being more advanced than the individual cell nuclei of plants, still cannot feel pain properly, and as such are only as advanced in that field as plants.

What about when like wolves get caught in traps? They start to wimper and obviously feel pain. When most animals are hurt like a body part is cut they act differently

Like I said above, animals have an instinct to find help when they cannot help themselves (seeing as the most basic instinct of all is to stay alive no matter what the cost). "Crying" in pain is a way of getting attention to the body.

[Mentor]

Yeah is fairly irrelevant but I just wanted to show a point. I know all about Darwin's survival of the fittest theory but to mass cull seems odd... I think the world is overpopulated as it is.. I doubt the earth was designed to hold as many humans as we have.

Earth wasnt designed at all, and nature is a very strong force, If we cannot get enogh food to maintain ourselfs we die, Food replenishes. Simple as that "/ just like with every other animal, millions of species have lived and died "/

I thought also because they are 'intelligent creatures' like dolphins.

There both pretty stupid animals, Octopus is supposedly the smartest next to humans, being able to use advanced levels of commication, team work, and utails serfisticated tactics in getting its prey.

Everyone still seems to eat them just fine, and there WAY smarter than any ape...

They just talked about how apes and dolphans can register pain. Also humans are considered animals but I know you are not talking about them. And Most animals feel pain. Have you ever seen a dog sad because it is sick or hurt. Dogs even get sad when they are lonly.

Humans are a centiant animal. Dogs aint. Dogs feel pain, Its a warning mechinism, It keeps them alive, quite helpful. BUT they dont consously perseave it or understand it in the way humans do, hence a human idea of feeling pain is incorrect, The pain they feel is more likenable to the built in reactions, touch something hot your hand will recial in reaction before you perseave that pain

Where did this come from. Find me some information saying that plants feel the exact kind of pain as primitive animals. You are saying that plants without brains can feel pain as much as regular animals?

I think it came from an earler debate, since i dont rember haveing got here yet,
Perseption of pain is unique to humans first, a rock, a blade of grass, and a cat all feel perseave pain in the same way.. not at all.
Now the plants issue comes from the vegiran aurgument of not killing a liveing thing.
Plants are a liveing thing. Its often aurgued that becuse they dont have brains / central nervous systems, they then dont count.
But brains dont mean everything, Plants have exibited abiltys ti react to pain, count (venus fly trap does this so as not to close on something that isnt prey)
If a plant can count its smarter than most animals now aint it, which kinda puts a flaw in that theary, since then vegiratenans are just eating something even more defenceless than an animal, contradicting a large amount of pro veg aruguments

What about when like wolves get caught in traps? They start to wimper and obviously feel pain. When most animals are hurt like a body part is cut they act differently

i explained earlyer.

And for the record DOLPHINS ARE NOT CENTAINT. youve been watching/reading to much hitch hykers guide to the galexy, There stupid, there one of the smarter animals but not the smartest, octupus is way smarter, dolphins still are NOT self aware hence not centiant... Plus the clame is they are the only other animal that have sex for plesure as well as reproduction (disproven) not anything to do with understanding of pain

to the reasons....


False - veigraian diet is unhealthy and there are risks with many of the alternives, diets with alot of soibeens have been linked to haveing a higher risk of miscarranges for exsample.

False - Humans stomachs are deveoped as omnivours, we have problems digesting vegitation, since are smoach asids and enzimes are simply not capable of breaking down a large majorty of vegitaion. You cant eat leaves you cant eat grass, theres very little you can properly digest, even common things like vegiratables are only partaly digestested, Where not built for it..

Was disproven, soibeens a common altervive have also been linked to canser
Vegitran life expecancys are also several years shorter than an equivlent omnovours...

Meat = more energy, if you do more, it gets used as it should, we just have to find alternatives since being mauld by bunnies and haveing to hunt, kill and prepear are own meals are no longer required...

All been discredited

Sorry to burst your bubble but humans aint Dietys so we still are part of the echosystem..

I think theres a major misconspetion on how nature works here?

Econicaly we have sustainable meat supplys, the same cant be said of vegiratn food stuffs, whcih would be unstainable if the whole populus swiched.

News flash, Humans Dont Graze, We cannot eat grass, Hence Animlas eating grass arnt takeing away are food... this rates highly on the stupidty charts..

[FlyingJesus]

There both pretty stupid animals, Octopus is supposedly the smartest next to humans, being able to use advanced levels of commication, team work, and utails serfisticated tactics in getting its prey.

Everyone still seems to eat them just fine, and there WAY smarter than any ape...

A good point, we eat animals regardless of how advanced they may appear to be, and to debate an offcut of that, the only reason we don't eat humans is our culture. There are many tribes who are cannibalistic, and we see them as barbaric, but really what's wrong with eating humans? We have the same bodily qualities in many ways as pigs, so theoretically we'd taste like pork (which happens to be my favourite meat). I'm not saying we should go around killing and eating each other, but when we die, wouldn't it be far less wasteful if any parts that can't be held for transplants (ie: the fats and muscles - the edible bits) were stocked for consumption? You may not like the idea of eating someone you know, but surely in many ways it's more respectful to their memory that they become part of a loved one rather than becoming ashes and dust scattered around a field, or a decomposing mess in a box? This is completely off the topic of vegetarianism, but an issue which I feel needs to be reconsidered in a world where waste is a massive problem.

[Mentor]

Althogh it should be mentioned canibalism tends to be quite unheathy, there are quite a few illness that are often related to consumption of other humans (many very simlar to made cow desises, which was caused by cows being fed other cows another form of canibalism)
Plus Humans being centiant killing us for food would cause problems and is illgal (suprise suprise), althogh in certain cituations if there isnt the choise, survival does take president over such moral values anyway "/
For tha main part thogh eating humans is realy a waste of the human body, which would be far more useful for its organs, blood and limbs which would server far better in medical use, whether for reaserch or donations. If i die i would want what ever of me is useable to be used to help others seeing as i no longer needed it, Even if that for simply for eating "/

[:dallsgreen]

I like meat, my family is pretty big on barbeques. I say why not eat animals? its the foodchain, we just happen to be higher up.

[Ezzie.]

This is turning out to be quite a good discussion. And as mentor said, Octupusses are incredibley intelligent, seen on a program how they can actually kill humans if you're not wearing diving equipment. I believe in the food chain and killing animals to survive is survival of the fittest obviously. There's actually alternatives to eating meat, but they taste like meat? Quorn or whatever tastes exactly like chicken/beef, what ever. But has more nutrients in (not saying meat doesn't have nutrience) Also why would the vegetarian charities lie about their dietry information, false information leads to procecutions for leading the reader astray so I highly doubt they were lieing "/


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If Mother nature decides to further evolve a certain species then what would happen if they became more evolved/intelligent than us? (planet of the apes kind of >_>)

[Flap]

I used to be a vegetarian, But now i'm not ;]