Rage Against the Machine - Killing In The Name for Christmas No. 1

[Black_Apalachi]

thats not popularity, its out of spite

If you take away the people buying it "out of spite", there are still a lot of genuine RATM fans. I don't care what you say, it is a popular track.

It is indeed out of spite and it's quite sad. It's perfectly understandable to spite Cowell's greed, but why anyone would want to hinder the success of a talented 18 year-old is beyond me.

I understand the point that it's a bit harsh on him to happen to win X-Factor on the same year this decides to be done (ignoring last year of course). But it's not a personal thing, it's about Cowell and his joke of a "talent" show. Anyway it's a pretty easy way to achieve overnight fame, and I thought his voice was for the stage not pop music? And if he's so talented, then if you're not going to write your own music, why not pick at least a half-decent song to cover lmao?

I can understand the whole spite thing against x-factor cause it is done purposly. but i am a fan of the song by Joe and i think having RATM as an x-mas number 1 song is just bad. really not a fan of that song

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Climb-Miley-...1095990&sr=1-2

[kk.]

The artists don't get a choice for starters. And calling it a joKe of a contest isn't really fair looking at some of the winners.. And losers actually..

I'm not saying it's not popular, I'm saying it wouldn't even be in the charts. It's only on the charts because of the whole x factor spite etc etc etc

and y u posted to the miley version I don't know, they said they liked the joe version of the song

[PaulMacC]

I can understand the whole spite thing against x-factor cause it is done purposly. but i am a fan of the song by Joe and i think having RATM as an x-mas number 1 song is just bad. really not a fan of that song

I do not think X-Factor deserves to be number 1. Its the same thing every year, refurbished 2nd rate pop songs that are overplayed and annoying to anyone with a brain. RATM aren't the best band in the world but I'd rather have them over X Factor.

[samsaBEAR]

I do not think X-Factor deserves to be number 1. Its the same thing every year, refurbished 2nd rate pop songs that are overplayed and annoying to anyone with a brain. RATM aren't the best band in the world but I'd rather have them over X Factor.

Pop as a genre is the same thing. Every song is a refurbished version of another song in the past. The only reason X Factor doesn't deserve it this year is because Joe is a ****, and Olly should've won

[Black_Apalachi]

The artists don't get a choice for starters. And calling it a joKe of a contest isn't really fair looking at some of the winners.. And losers actually..

I'm not saying it's not popular, I'm saying it wouldn't even be in the charts. It's only on the charts because of the whole x factor spite etc etc etc

and y u posted to the miley version I don't know, they said they liked the joe version of the song

The ultimate winners may be worthy of it then, but the whole process they go through and the kind of people who are kept in along the way in favour of others who are far more talented, is a joke.

OK then, it wouldn't be in charts if it wasn't for the X-Factor. But then neither would Bon Jovi a couple of weeks ago, nor would Robbie Williams or even Cheryl Cole! After all, they all did well after appearing on the show didn't they?

The post I quoted suggested she liked the song itself, rather than that particular version.

[untrustus]

some people are saying it's unfair to take this from a young boy - i don't see why he should be guaranteed/gifted #1 just 'cause he won x factor?

[Pyroka]

ive bought my single.

and some people would say its unfair, but if he's gonna be such a hit star im sure he'll get a number one soon. :S

[kk.]

I do not think X-Factor deserves to be number 1. Its the same thing every year, refurbished 2nd rate pop songs that are overplayed and annoying to anyone with a brain. RATM aren't the best band in the world but I'd rather have them over X Factor.

as ive said before, have you ever thought that people actually like these songs. music is subjective and everyone has an opinion. you like one type, i like another

The ultimate winners may be worthy of it then, but the whole process they go through and the kind of people who are kept in along the way in favour of others who are far more talented, is a joke.

OK then, it wouldn't be in charts if it wasn't for the X-Factor. But then neither would Bon Jovi a couple of weeks ago, nor would Robbie Williams or even Cheryl Cole! After all, they all did well after appearing on the show didn't they?

The post I quoted suggested she liked the song itself, rather than that particular version.

i agree that some people that they keep in is stupid. But they do it for entertainment.. like when lucie went, she was never going to win and yes it angered people but as many said, if you didnt vote, you cant moan.

thats not the point im making. Its not a popular song. well it is a popular song between RATM fans i suppose, but its not mass market popularity. all the artists youve mentioned were just given a boost to sales figures because no matter what happened, they wouldve charted

and she said she liked 'fan of the song by joe', by being the key word

[hah]

I know that record labels buy hundreds of thousands of copies of their own singles when they need to make sure they get to number one, so there will certainly be some Sony purchases of Joe's single, but I wouldn't be surprised if they've gone out to get a load of RATM as well now to make it appear closer - if people see the campaign "working" they're more likely to join in themselves and go buy it, so now any disabled rock fan with 50p will give it to Sony thinking they're making a difference when Joe is basically guaranteed it. No real chance against it once the shiny plastic's out I don't imagine

How do you know? i remember reading some where that if large bulk copies are bought the song is banned from the charts

here it is
http://www.theofficialcharts.com/doc...ust%202009.pdf

[Fifteen]

The sales figures as of today are:

RATM: 306,115
Joe: 297,192

The battle is getting close (8,923 between them) and tomorrow is the day where Joe really could catch up - old biddies will see the single in Tesco / Sainsbury's / Asda when buying their turkey and realise that "it's that lovely chap from The X Factor" (and he is a lovely chap, but the song is shockingly bad).

oh right