Are you racist?

[The Don]

If you advocate it from your ivory tower the you're being a hypocrite and not enjoying the diversity enough. Go live in it if it's so great. That's why I have always said that nothing will change regarding this issue until the politicians themselves face the consquences.

If third world immigration is allowed at huge numbers, with no integration (which is what you advocate) then YOU should face what comes of it.

Rather than providing baseless google searches as sources how about you provide some real sources as evidence that immigration brings increased rape, crime etc with it. I'm particularly interested in your Sweden claim, could you provide me with some sort of evidence for these claims you're making, as I suspect you're making a mountain out of a molehill as you always do.

[-:Undertaker:-]

she accepts people regardless their culture, it's not hard

No she doesn't, she is a well known critic of Islam on a number of cultural points and practices.

And it's people like her who are trying to reform Islamic culture that should be supported, not ignored.

[buttons]

am speaking about oldlovesong jfc I am done with this thread

[-:Undertaker:-]

Rather than providing baseless google searches as sources how about you provide some real sources as evidence that immigration brings increased rape, crime etc with it. I'm particularly interested in your Sweden claim, could you provide me with some sort of evidence for these claims you're making, as I suspect you're making a mountain out of a molehill as you always do.

I'm not spoonfeeding you, I have had debates in the past on things like Dutch terrorism and extremism coming from a certain religion after it recieves criticism and even after I prove it, all I get in response is "well wot about the IRA"... so it's a completely pointless exercise arguing over it.

She has a lot of you spot on right there, it's exactly what I always make the point of.

[The Don]

I'm not spoonfeeding you, I have had debates in the past on things like Dutch terrorism and extremism coming from a certain religion after it recieves criticism and even after I prove it, all I get in response is "well wot about the IRA"... so it's a completely pointless exercise arguing over it.

She has a lot of you spot on right there, it's exactly what I always make the point of.

You've just admitted defeat. Shifting the burden of proof doesn't help build your ever decreasing credibility and if your entire argument relies on a supposed fact then the burden of proof is on you to prove that. You can't reinforce your argument with fact therefore the point, and your argument is invalid.

[-:Undertaker:-]

You've just admitted defeat. Shifting the burden of proof doesn't help build your ever decreasing credibility and if your entire argument relies on a supposed fact then the burden of proof is on you to prove that. You can't reinforce your argument with fact therefore the point, and your argument is invalid.

I can't win with you, so there was never any hope of me convincing you of the obvious need of reform in Islam and the failure of multiculturalism and integration in the first place. Don't pretend to be open-minded, because you're the complete opposite

It amazes me that I post the obvious self-evident fact that Islamic culture requires serious reform, I am jumped on.... yet when somebody posts the absurd notion that all cultures should be treated equally as our own (when they're not) it's not even challenged - other than by me. Incredible.

[The Don]

I can't win with you, so there was never any hope of me convincing you of the obvious need of reform in Islam and the failure of multiculturalism and integration in the first place. Don't pretend to be open-minded, because you're the complete opposite

No you can't win arguments when instead of providing evidence for the things you claim as fact you instead reply with "I'M NOT SPOON-FEEDING YOU". It's almost like you know the things you claim as the truth are in fact anything but. If you instead provided tangible evidence for the things you claim rather than rambling incoherently and changing the topic when challenged on those points then perhaps you wouldn't receive such negative responses and we might see a sensible debate.

It amazes me that I post the obvious self-evident fact that Islamic culture requires serious reform, I am jumped on.... yet when somebody posts the absurd notion that all cultures should be treated equally as our own (when they're not) it's not even challenged - other than by me. Incredible.

You don't though, that's the thing. I've just given you an opportunity to and instead you told me to go look for it myself.

[Sweetsusan]

Why is intolerance towards gingers accepted in general western society?

Remember kick a ginger day? What if It was kick a black day? Its discrimination based upon a colour and should be treated equally in my opinion

[FlyingJesus]

Why would you accept the precepts of a culture equally when that culture is not equal?

If something is not equal, then don't pretend that it is equal

Possibly because she (unlike you) actually believes in personal freedoms rather than merely claiming to and then talking incessantly about how you want to control what everyone does to suit your own archaic ideas

I have had debates in the past on things like Dutch terrorism and extremism coming from a certain religion after it recieves criticism and even after I prove it, all I get in response is "well wot about the IRA"... so it's a completely pointless exercise arguing over it.

Actually what happens is people post huge amounts of proof against your points and then you refuse to respond and just move to another thread, like last night where even when prompted and reminded of past posts you decided to derail further and flatly ignore the responses you couldn't tackle

the obvious self-evident fact that Islamic culture requires serious reform

...To something based more on your own faulty ethics and "just because" reasoning that makes just as little sense

[Lewis]

i'm extremely non-racist and non-prejudice. however, there is one thing, I get nervous sometimes when a muslim comes on the bus with a big bag or rucksack though. i don't want to and i don't think anything bad of them, i just get nervous lol - probably because of my family

my family on the other hand is extremely prejudice and racist