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    Quote Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:- View Post
    If you would rather carry on voting for the main parties which have next to none policies which represent the people in this country then please do so, but just dont moan when your denied a referendum on Europe, dont moan when your taxes are going through the roof, dont moan when we have criminals/militant extremists coming here and preaching hatred while we're paying for them to do so, dont moan when your working your socks off to fund criminals/benefit scroungers, dont moan when criminals are let out early and re-commit crime, dont moan when 'we havent got enough money' for older generations who need care & expensive drugs on the NHS which extend peoples lives while we give billions to the EU and others countries such as India and China and theres much much more.

    I actually believe UKIP because if you look at its history since the early 1990s when it was first set up, it has always been a grassroots party. Nigel Farage was a former stockbroker who got involved because he wanted to halt the ever-powerful EU and its influence over the business sector in this country which has now extended to nearly every aspect of life in the United Kingdom. The same can be said for Lord Pearson who also has experience in business and defected from the Conservatives because they no longer represent what most people in this country want. Now lets take the main parties people for example; most of them have never had a 'real' job before - most were either parachuted in [career politicians as they are known] or have always worked for the state and thus dont know the meaning of business and how a business is run. If you are happy with this country at the moment and think that the people running it are competant then vote for them, if not then vote for someone who actually wants to change this country for the better. It doesnt have to be UKIP as there are many many other parties out there who mean what they say, just whatever you do dont carry on voting for the same corrupt liers who are only in it for themselves and always have been.

    What are the problems with the BBC not being privatised?


    • You are not giving people that choice to choose what television they want to watch.
    • You are charging people who do not want to watch the BBC [stealth tax]
    • The BBC overspends and continuously raises its prices which outstrip rival broadcasters.
    • The BBC is harming other broadcasters such as ITV/Channel4 because of the monopoly it holds.
    • The BBC is immensely wasteful and greedy and creates 'non-jobs' weekly thus a bigger burden.
    • A family who does not like the BBC could do more with £145 and afterall it is their own money.





    Of course they will, just it means you are giving them the choice. It is pretty simple so do let me explain;

    A family wants a Sky package which lets say costs £60 per year. Without the license fee they would only have to pay that £60 whereas for instance now, they would be forced to pay for the BBC services which cost £145 per year despite the fact they may not want to watch the BBC. So rather than paying £60 per year for their television services, they end up having to pay £205 per year despite the fact they do not have any interest in the BBC and do not watch/use any of its services/channels.

    Again you go on the biased route, I do not know how to make this anymore clearer; all broadcasters are bound to regulations and rules which state they are not allowed to be biased. Whether the BBC was private or not, it has to remain neutral and un-biased. Therefore it makes no difference in that aspect whether or not the BBC is private or owned by the government.
    Ok lets go through with you:

    - I DON'T WANT A BLOODY REFERENDUM SO STOP DEMANDING WE HAVE THE STUPID THINGS.
    - It's fine I am too young to pay tax and when I am old enough my family are moving permanently to Spain.
    - UKIP would HAVE to have high taxes too - they wouldn't work without them..
    - Sadly, in reality every country has lazy gits, that's life - UKIP are a POLITICAL party, not magicians.

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    And fine, suit your bloody self, let's privatise the BBC - and remove all their radio channels, get bored to death with stupid unwanted adverts. I PROMISE YOU EVERY family uses the BBC's Services in one way or another. I guarantee it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Android View Post
    Ok lets go through with you:

    - I DON'T WANT A BLOODY REFERENDUM SO STOP DEMANDING WE HAVE THE STUPID THINGS.
    - It's fine I am too young to pay tax and when I am old enough my family are moving permanently to Spain.
    - UKIP would HAVE to have high taxes too - they wouldn't work without them..
    - Sadly, in reality every country has lazy gits, that's life - UKIP are a POLITICAL party, not magicians.

    And fine, suit your bloody self, let's privatise the BBC - and remove all their radio channels, get bored to death with stupid unwanted adverts. I PROMISE YOU EVERY family uses the BBC's Services in one way or another. I guarantee it.
    Then you wouldnt have to vote, the fact is that most people want the death penalty and for this country to leave the European Union, so whats your big problem with allowing people to decide for themselves? - do you actually not understand why people are so fed up with politics, its because barely any of them actually represent us properly. If you dont want to vote on these issues then you wouldnt have to as we live in a democracy and its your choice, but dont deny others the choice.

    It is not fine because there are 60 million people in this country paying through their teeth to fund wasteful projects, and talking about Spain - Spain recieves money from the European Union so essentially we are paying for Spain and getting nothing in return. With high taxes and children to care for, how on earth do you expect to get yourself to Spain?

    UKIP would not have to have high taxes, we [this country] did something in the 1980s and we cut taxes by a large margin for both families and business and thus the economy took off and our wealth now (what remains of it) we owe to them reforms. It is very simple economics, lower taxes mean people can spend more of their own money which helps create business and thus more jobs for the 8 million unemployed in this country.

    Every country does have lazy gits you are right so the simple solution is to cut the benefits. There is also an issue which Nigel Farage tackled on HardTalk with the fact that for people on the minimum wage, it is not worth them working as for them to work with tax, its more beneficial for them to remain on benefits because the sad truth is that them sitting at home not working leaves them better off than it would with them working; hence why UKIP want to introduce a flat tax rate which would lift the poorest out of the taxation system altogether which means they can then get off the benefits and go back to work and it also saves the country money in benefits and red tape that come with the present system.

    Ok then you gurantee it, so if the BBC is as popular as you say then what is your objection to the BBC being privatised?
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    Quote Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:- View Post
    Then you wouldnt have to vote, the fact is that most people want the death penalty and for this country to leave the European Union, so whats your big problem with allowing people to decide for themselves? - do you actually not understand why people are so fed up with politics, its because barely any of them actually represent us properly. If you dont want to vote on these issues then you wouldnt have to as we live in a democracy and its your choice, but dont deny others the choice.

    It is not fine because there are 60 million people in this country paying through their teeth to fund wasteful projects, and talking about Spain - Spain recieves money from the European Union so essentially we are paying for Spain and getting nothing in return. With high taxes and children to care for, how on earth do you expect to get yourself to Spain?

    UKIP would not have to have high taxes, we [this country] did something in the 1980s and we cut taxes by a large margin for both families and business and thus the economy took off and our wealth now (what remains of it) we owe to them reforms. It is very simple economics, lower taxes mean people can spend more of their own money which helps create business and thus more jobs for the 8 million unemployed in this country.

    Every country does have lazy gits you are right so the simple solution is to cut the benefits. There is also an issue which Nigel Farage tackled on HardTalk with the fact that for people on the minimum wage, it is not worth them working as for them to work with tax, its more beneficial for them to remain on benefits because the sad truth is that them sitting at home not working leaves them better off than it would with them working; hence why UKIP want to introduce a flat tax rate which would lift the poorest out of the taxation system altogether which means they can then get off the benefits and go back to work and it also saves the country money in benefits and red tape that come with the present system.

    Ok then you gurantee it, so if the BBC is as popular as you say then what is your objection to the BBC being privatised?
    I personally plan on getting on an plane.. or do you prefer to swim?

    And my objection is I am happy for that £100 if it means I don't have to watch adverts. So same to you - why is your objection about the BBC not being privatised? It has been fine for so long afterall.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Android View Post
    I personally plan on getting on an plane.. or do you prefer to swim?

    And my objection is I am happy for that £100 if it means I don't have to watch adverts. So same to you - why is your objection about the BBC not being privatised? It has been fine for so long afterall.
    You cannot just buy a £20 RyanAir flight and jet off with your family to go and live in Spain. You need the money to be able to do it.

    On the BBC; I have listed the problems with the BBC and how privatisation would sort it, I am now asking you that if the BBC is as popular as you claim, what is the big problem with privatising it?.. could it possibly be that its not all that popular as you claim?


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    If the BBC did go private. I'm guessing 100% they would start putting adverts up to get funding, correct?


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    Quote Originally Posted by MattGarner View Post
    If the BBC did go private. I'm guessing 100% they would start putting adverts up to get funding, correct?
    If the BBC was as popular as these lot suggest then it wouldnt need to do that. If (as I suspect) the BBC isnt as popular as suggested here, then I dont see what the problem is with allowing people who do not want to watch the BBC to not have to folk out £145 a year for something they have no interest in watching.


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    Quote Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:- View Post
    If the BBC was as popular as these lot suggest then it wouldnt need to do that. If (as I suspect) the BBC isnt as popular as suggested here, then I dont see what the problem is with allowing people who do not want to watch the BBC to not have to folk out £145 a year for something they have no interest in watching.
    I can see what you mean but even with the BBC "private" we would still have to pay some sort of fee, surely? Our fee covers TV recorders which does include stuff like V+ and Sky+. I don't see the whole fee being "cut" just because the BBC is now private.


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    Quote Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:- View Post
    You cannot just buy a £20 RyanAir flight and jet off with your family to go and live in Spain. You need the money to be able to do it.

    On the BBC; I have listed the problems with the BBC and how privatisation would sort it, I am now asking you that if the BBC is as popular as you claim, what is the big problem with privatising it?.. could it possibly be that its not all that popular as you claim?
    Hate to break it to you, but we already have homes in Spain, used to live there for half the year, I mean come on? I think we are set to go..

    You are politically mad to be honest. You have some of the most stupid views I have EVER seen on this forum. Seriously.

    And what the bloody hell are you on about? ITV and C4 are hugely POPULAR, they still need ruddy adverts,

    Just because someone likes something does not mean the thing they like has unlimited money. You are mad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattGarner View Post
    I can see what you mean but even with the BBC "private" we would still have to pay some sort of fee, surely? Our fee covers TV recorders which does include stuff like V+ and Sky+. I don't see the whole fee being "cut" just because the BBC is now private.
    You'd have to pay for a broadcaster if you wanted to watch televison, just it would be optional. If I wanted a Virgin Media package only, I could buy only the Virgin Media package without being forced to purchase the BBC package which I may not be interested in. So rather than paying for example £145 (BBC) and £60 (Virgin) = £205 I would only have to pay the £60 thus saving me and a lot of families a lot of money which is better spent elsewhere.

    I dont understand second part, elaborate?

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    Hate to break it to you, but we already have homes in Spain, used to live there for half the year, I mean come on? I think we are set to go..

    You are politically mad to be honest. You have some of the most stupid views I have EVER seen on this forum. Seriously.

    And what the bloody hell are you on about? ITV and C4 are hugely POPULAR, they still need ruddy adverts,

    Just because someone likes something does not mean the thing they like has unlimited money. You are mad.
    Ahh right, however you will need the money yourself to buy them homes off your mum and dad (unless they are planning to be very generous and allow you the house/rent it to you) and you will have to be sure there is employment and a job waiting for you in Spain.

    See now, you will not reply to my point about the BBC. I keep asking you, if the BBC is really that popular as you claim then what is so bad about allowing it to go private? - please do answer that for me. The point on ITV and Channel 4 is totally wrong, ITV and Channel 4 have had deep financial issues as of recent times and over the past few years, I may be mad but at least I have some idea of what I am talking about.


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    Quote Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:- View Post
    You'd have to pay for a broadcaster if you wanted to watch televison, just it would be optional. If I wanted a Virgin Media package only, I could buy only the Virgin Media package without being forced to purchase the BBC package which I may not be interested in. So rather than paying for example £145 (BBC) and £60 (Virgin) = £205 I would only have to pay the £60 thus saving me and a lot of families a lot of money which is better spent elsewhere.

    I dont understand second part, elaborate?



    Ahh right, however you will need the money yourself to buy them homes off your mum and dad (unless they are planning to be very generous and allow you the house/rent it to you) and you will have to be sure there is employment and a job waiting for you in Spain.

    See now, you will not reply to my point about the BBC. I keep asking you, if the BBC is really that popular as you claim then what is so bad about allowing it to go private? - please do answer that for me. The point on ITV and Channel 4 is totally wrong, ITV and Channel 4 have had deep financial issues as of recent times and over the past few years, I may be mad but at least I have some idea of what I am talking about.
    Well we are all moving out when I am around 18ish. (After 6th form) - so I am ot p[lanning on living by myself straight away

    But you ignored me Dan. There is nothing wrong with the BBC how it always has been, so stop moaning and get on with it.

    Your £100 will only go towards some asian anyway.


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