[NOT HAPPY!] Health Form Bill Passed

[Swearwolf]

if you can afford private and its what you want then thats fine but the NHS is fine. as far as your attitude is concerned mariot or w.e your name is i hope you go bankrupt and then we'll see

[Recursion]

Oh dear.... you have a private education as well?

Funny thing is it has actually been proven that state schools manage to get better results than most privatly funded schools (surprise surprise.. :rolleyes

Now Marriot, get off your god damn high horse and get out of our country if you don't agree with our laws or services, you knew what it was like far before you or your parents came over here. You obviously know **** all about the subject and need to gather some real evidence before posting. £1000 is a lot to some people, let alone the 100s of thousands some treatments can cost.

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Edited by Catzsy(Forum Moderator): Please do not be rude to others.

[Seatherny]

£55 for a 15 minute appointment with BUPA. Errr yeah, not cheap.

[Recursion]

£55 for a 15 minute appointment with BUPA. Errr yeah, not cheap.

3.6p a second, now THAT is burning money!

[Seatherny]

If you are going to infract me then don't send me a PM.

Infraction PM's are sent automatically.

The NHS is reeked with problems I would never go with them. You get the lowest quality care, because your just another number and statistic in the NHS, whereas private they need your business so they care for you. Which is why I prefer it. Why not put money towards plans to regenerate other things like Internet speeds for one, or trains etc.. Money is needed there more than a healthcare system which fails

Actually, you would have already paid BUPA. They would therefore try and get you out of the hospital as fast as possible to save money. However for NHS, they can try and make you better as they don't have to worry about costs, just making the patient better.

[GommeInc]

I'm gonna butt in here and say my dad is a senior doctor at both an NHS hospital and private hospital. His work at the private hospital comprises mainly of minor surgeries and plastic surgeries whereas his main work at an NHS hospital involves highly complex surgeries requiring dozens of doctors working a shift on what can last up to 12 hours, I know for a fact that these complex surgeries cost in excess of £80,000 privately and I for one would gladly pay a slightly higher tax to allow a pensioner or a university student to have this for free than force them to pay....

Also the whole thing about A&E at private hospitals is bull, the most they have is a minor accident clinic where you can go if you break a finger or cut yourself.

Thank God, someone who knows what they are talking about. Private Hospitals do not do major operations, it's incredibly rare to find a private hospital/clinic that can do them. Most private hospitals ship patients off to NHS hospitals and specialise in after care. Nice to know someone has some inside information to back this up as well.

[Grig]

More money for actual consumers to spend, but less for the US Government to spend on bailing out crippled companies - RECESSION WORSENS WOO!

You talk about America here. Well for one thing, America's new healthcare bill is much worse off, it has so many holes in it. You are talking about giving everyone in the country healthcare for similair rates, regardles if they are citizens or not. They are also saying that they need to pay a certain percentage of their income for that healthcare. But how would that fair on the richer folk, like Bill Gates when he has a sum for hundreds of millions just for healthcare on people who aren't even citizens, there needs to be a ceiling for this. All in all, this new proposal is flawed on all sides. Why do citizens have to suffer?

The healthcare proposal in the US is just so different from every single other country. I am actually suprised it passed with this amount of flaws in it and that is exact why the opposition Republicans are angry about it, already going as far as to branding it 'Socialist'. Everyone deserves some form of healthcare in an MEDC, but this certainly is not the plan to go by.

[,Lexiilu]

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I ABSOLUTELY DESPISE THIS HEALTH CARE BILL. our economy is already **** and this makes it worse. middle class people are going to have to pay for health care for those idiots who do drugs and make stupid decisions. people (like my mom for example) already have had to make huge cuts to our bills and it just makes it worse. plus now if you dont want it you have to pay a fine on top of paying for your own medical care?? like srsly if I didn't have medical care and I chopped my finger off or something its my fault...I'm already in pain, PLUS I have to pay my own bills, PLUS PLUS I have to pay their stupid fine every year? :S ye cause that makes a lot of sense. it's not my fault if someone gets fired and doesn't have a savings account, or quits their job cause they think they're gonna get a job somewhere else or something and they dont, or they do drugs, or have a baby they dont want, etc. ALSO this is ridic cause the way its written, it says that the bill wont be able to be removed or something stupid like that ;l i'm not paying for o-bomb-a's stupid mistakes when I turn 18. I'll srsly move to like canada or someplace ;l

[DrLacero]

*Jumps in*

Most countries with public health care pay less for it than Americans do for Private at the moment. The 1992 report of the State Health Care Access Commission showed that a publicly financed and publicly administered system would have saved Connecticut 2 billion dollars in 1999.

http://cthealth.server101.com/univer...is_cheaper.htm

And ranked better;

http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

[RedStratocas]

Just side with Republicans all the time, and people should help themselves, not get the taxpayers to pay for everything especially for an economy in the toilet.

the problem with this logic is that uninsured people who end up getting sick/injured cost taxpayers far more than actually insuring them instead, thus we SAVE money by insuring people.

essentially, what this health care bill does is extend medicare (which has been around for decades, and is completely undisputed) to poor people instead of just for old people who dont work. how this can possibly be perceived as "socialist" is beyond me.

*Jumps in*

Most countries with public health care pay less for it than Americans do for Private at the moment. The 1992 report of the State Health Care Access Commission showed that a publicly financed and publicly administered system would have saved Connecticut 2 billion dollars in 1999.

http://cthealth.server101.com/univer...is_cheaper.htm

And ranked better;

http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

yeah im from connecticut, i remember seeing this. whats funny is that the health care bill is the same as everything in the state-run massachussettes health care system, which has proven to be cost-effective.