Shootings and explosion in Paris

[-:Undertaker:-]

@FlyingJesus; -repped me saying all that research on muslim extremism was just nonsense.

Well yet again I am proved right, here's what the French security services are dealing with when it comes to Islamic extremism.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ource=Facebook

France is fighting an unwinnable war against the rising threat of Islamic terrorism, leading French terror experts warned last night.

Disaffected Muslim populations at home, unpoliced European borders and battle-hardened fighters now flowing in from Syria and Iraq were creating a perfect storm of terror that is now in danger of defeating the French security services.

France is estimated to have 2,000 citizens involved in Syrian and Iraq jihadi networks and a further 3,800 individuals known to domestic intelligence services as “radicalised”, all watched over by just 3,200 intelligence officers.

The services are overwhelmed,” said Jean-Charles Brisard, head of the Paris-based Centre for the Analysis of Terrorism, “when you consider it takes 25 officers to provide round-the-clock surveillance on one individual, you can see the difficulty.”

Europe’s open border policy allowing weapons and terrorists to flow freely into France - with at least two of the Friday night attackers coming in from Belgium - means that there are now real fears that it is almost impossible for the intelligence services to keep track of the jihadi threat.

Wonder if *REMOVED* will reply? Can he reply? Or will he just reply with his usual off the cuff remarks of absolute written snot.

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[FlyingJesus]

I -repped you for your provably false claims... you even later admitted that you'd pulled the number out of thin air. Changing the subject doesn't make you right, I can't believe after all these years and literally hundreds of threads where you've done this you still don't understand how facts and debates work

[-:Undertaker:-]

I -repped you for your provably false claims... you even later admitted that you'd pulled the number out of thin air. Changing the subject doesn't make you right, I can't believe after all these years and literally hundreds of threads where you've done this you still don't understand how facts and debates work

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[FlyingJesus]

Yes, if you looked at the wrong data and made up inferences that were never stated. Good of you to dodge being proved wrong (as usual) about the Egyptian chap who you were getting up in arms about

ps: I never said anything of the sort. You can stop making up stories and pretending that everyone who disagrees with you is the same person any time you like, it would be great

[OldLoveSong]

Seriously wondering whats going to happen next, are allied countries going to be sending out ground troops to Syria and stop the threat where its happening and originating from? (Although I don't believe it can fully be stopped anyways, way too many supporters and ISIS's troops all over the world in different states and countries waiting for their leaders orders on where and when to attack, blending in as regular civilian and hiding out).

Saw this comment on Facebook and want to know peoples thoughts on it?

"The reason that there are so many refugees,is because countries, including our own are not willing to go into Syria and eliminate the problem. Everyone seems to be afraid to step on each other's toes. Instead of taking refugees in, eliminate the reason they are refugees to begin with."

[AgnesIO]

Seriously wondering whats going to happen next, are allied countries going to be sending out ground troops to Syria and stop the threat where its happening and originating from? (Although I don't believe it can fully be stopped anyways, way too many supporters and ISIS's troops all over the world in different states and countries waiting for their leaders orders on where and when to attack, blending in as regular civilian and hiding out).

Saw this comment on Facebook and want to know peoples thoughts on it?

Sorry, but that's a really ignorant view of the problem. Ultimately, for this particular 'battle', ISIS are the winners. Before Dan tries to claim that I like ISIS or something, let me explain.... we have two options.

- Don't react any more than we already are. Problem is, ISIS will continue to grow, and use this as 'come and join us - we will soon be in power!!'
OR
- Go in and destroy parts of the Middle East. Problem is, ISIS will then use this as propaganda; "We call all of our brothers to join us. The West are killing our people."

Ultimately, we are damned if we do, damned if we don't.

Of course, I think we should step up our fight against them - but there will be consequences in doing so.

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i don't think it's ignorant???
it's true that doing nothing and letting refugees into the west clearly isn't the solution because people are still going to be killed in the name of 'Islam'
but you're right, we don't have to go to the war-torn countries and intervene but surely we have a duty to protect our own country and people? and if that means extra security, being more "choosy" when allowing people in, then i don't see the problem.

[-:Undertaker:-]

@FlyingJesus; don't believe I stated one was from Egypt. I'm simply reporting sources, hence the word alleged for one attacker.

I will guarantee right here right now however infront of you all that within the next 6 months there will be at least one other attempted terrorist attack from a 'refugee'.

@conservative; No we shouldn't drop bombs in Raqqa on Islamic State because Islamic State in Iraq isn't the immediate threat to national security. The threat to national security are the people - Angela Merkel, the European Commission, the French government - along with cheerleaders like you who demanded that we allow hundreds of thousands of people from a highly radical war into Europe. That's the real threat to French national security along with open borders which allowed at least one attacker to cross numerous borders from Greece without any checks and another to cross the Belgian-French border without any checks. Oh and did I mention the Islamic ghettos across Europe where security services and authorities now admit they have 'lost control' in? Kind of like how in Rotherham they 'lost control' and thousands of English girls were passed around whilst the authorities sat by and did nothing for fear of being branded racist.... by people like you and Tom.

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i don't think it's ignorant???
it's true that doing nothing and letting refugees into the west clearly isn't the solution because people are still going to be killed in the name of 'Islam'
but you're right, we don't have to go to the war-torn countries and intervene but surely we have a duty to protect our own country and people? and if that means extra security, being more "choosy" when allowing people in, then i don't see the problem.

jen that's just so racist how could you be so level headed

[AgnesIO]

i don't think it's ignorant???
it's true that doing nothing and letting refugees into the west clearly isn't the solution because people are still going to be killed in the name of 'Islam'
but you're right, we don't have to go to the war-torn countries and intervene but surely we have a duty to protect our own country and people? and if that means extra security, being more "choosy" when allowing people in, then i don't see the problem.

She didn't say stopping the flow of people, she said to send troops in - those are two very, very different things.

[FlyingJesus]

I literally quoted you saying "One attacker so far is confirmed to be from Syria and another was found with an Egyptian passport", you can't then backtrack and pretend that you've not said that an attacker was Egyptian. Aaaaaaaaaaaaand of course you then had to decide to make up what I feel about issues, lol shambles