*DEBATE* Should Muslim women be allowed to wear veils that show just their eyes?

[Fomas]

Dubai is a muslim country, you don't see them telling people not to wear short skirts or tank tops do you? and as it has been said before, a hoodie isnt a religious clothing, so why does it matter?



You got some evidence for that ,or is it just one of your other lies? Also have you heard of such things such as converts?

I dont care if its a religion or not.
This country doesnt want it and they should respect the order.
Its not their room to argue.

If they dont like it go home i say

[Herman]

w/e festivals they have then... Im not a genius

It wouldn't hurt to learn more about Islam.

Frankly, Its our Country, if they want to come over here, take our jobs, eat our food, live in our houses, and we dont complain. They follow our rules. Its our country not their's.

Is there a rule which forbids muslim women from wearing veils?

well said, in addition to that most of the muslims in this country are most likely to be ilegal immigrants so we didnt even let them in the country they just havnt been deported yet.

So what's your next bright idea? Kick out all of the muslims? Sheesh.

Edit: And Max you said something about the muslim community ruining your christmas play. So you're just gonna judge every other muslim because of what they did? Dude, that's just like saying you're judging muslims because of what the extremists and terrorists did.

[Zazz]

I dont care if its a religion or not.
This country doesnt want it and they should respect the order.
Its not their room to argue.

If they dont like it go home i say

No, muslims have the right to fight agaisnt justice, we wont make ourselves look like idiots and forget about it, and dont tell us to go home as some of us will find it offencive as we we're born here..

Edit: And Max you said something about the muslim community ruining your christmas play. So you're just gonna judge every other muslim because of what they did? Dude, that's just like saying you're judging muslims because of what the extremists and terrorists did.

Yeah alot of people are doing that these days, listening to the media and judging muslims by actions other muslims have done. Seriously you need to think about this.

[adm]

Ok, so i'm against illegal immigrants coming over to the UK on any grounds - whether their country is falling to bits or they need to make money.

They come over here, thinking they're all that - getting job, money, house, car, mobile etc - off the social for free. Whilst we hard-working citizens have to work for our money - it makes me sick.

Moving onto the debate topic itself - veils. My own personal opinion is that the veils that muslim women wear look incriminating and that anything that looks suspicious in a major way - like it does - should be gone.

Take this for instance: -
If you were walking down the street and a muslim 'woman' was walking down the street with a veil on and you could only see her eyes - it doesn't look 'right'.

This is my opinion and I should be allowed to express it.

I say, if people feel intimidated[sp] by these veils - then they should be banned.

[Fomas]

Is there a rule which forbids muslim women from wearing veils?

There isnt a rule.
Thats the argument.

I think there should be, it cuts down communication and it can be threatening.
There is no need in this country to wear them.

[Zazz]

Ok, so i'm against illegal immigrants coming over to the UK on any grounds - whether their country is falling to bits or they need to make money.

They come over here, thinking they're all that - getting job, money, house, car, mobile etc - off the social for free. Whilst we hard-working citizens have to work for our money - it makes me sick.

Moving onto the debate topic itself - veils. My own personal opinion is that the veils that muslim women wear look incriminating and that anything that looks suspicious in a major way - like it does - should be gone.

Take this for instance: -
If you were walking down the street and a muslim 'woman' was walking down the street with a veil on and you could only see her eyes - it doesn't look 'right'.

This is my opinion and I should be allowed to express it.

I say, if people feel intimidated[sp] by these veils - then they should be banned.

It doesn't need to look right, they aren't wearing it for attention, so it doesnt matter. so if you see a a woman wearing a mini skirt and her breast completely popping out, does that look right?

There isnt a rule.
Thats the argument.

I think there should be, it cuts down communication and it can be threatening.
There is no need in this country to wear them.

What do you mean 'There is no need in this country to wear them'? Just because its a Christian country it doesnt mean theres a particular way you must dress.

[Acidulantes]

Zazz, in response to you saying I lied, I didnt... If youve ever been to birmingham at christma... Im sorry, late december, you wont have seen anything like christmas lights or santas grottos because the muslim community said it offended them, and now the shops arent allowed to sell christmas cards either... theyre called 'festive lights' and 'festive cards' and I think you should stop calling people liars...

What do you mean 'There is no need in this country to wear them'? Just because its a Christian country it doesnt mean theres a particular way you must dress.

He didnt say theres a particular way you should dress he said theres no need... there is a difference.


And in response to you trying to get one over on ad'am too...

Anything that looks intimidating should be banned be it religious or not...

[RedStratocas]

Maybe not to commit crimes... but if someones onto you for say, being an illegal immigrant... its a good way to hide and avoid being asked to remove it..

That made no sense at all. What does wearing a veil have to do with being an illegal immigrant? You lost me there. A veil isnt a magic cloak that makes you invisible, you cant hide with it.

The qu'raan (whatever it is) only says to "extend their garments to be distinguished not poenilized" their sure being distinguished now.... it does not say cover up completely so no-one can see what you look like, hear what your saying or look like a complete anonymous. their just hiding behind their religion because they think noone is bothered to translate it.

If thats how they see it, whats the problem? There are hundreds of types of christians who see certain things in the bible different ways, and interprit it differently.

Im happy there thinking of banning veils.
Its about time.

Frankly, Its our Country, if they want to come over here, take our jobs, eat our food, live in our houses, and we dont complain. They follow our rules.

Its our country not their's.
We have enough respect to not wear hats inside, or hoodies, or balaclava's (well majority) as a sense of respect, therefore veils should be banned in public buildings.

They dont get extra treatment for their religion, if they wanna do that religion go home, its a christian country, they should be gratefull were letting them stay. There just getting to big for their own shoes thinking they cant fight back. To be totally honest, were being generous the least they can do is listen to our rules.

But wearing a veil isnt a rule. Youre assuming it is. So no, they arent fighting, they arent protesting anything, because nothing has happened. They aren't disobeying, are they now?

well said, in addition to that most of the muslims in this country are most likely to be ilegal immigrants so we didnt even let them in the country they just havnt been deported yet.

73.9% of statistics are made up on the spot. Give me some real sources to back up your claim.

I say, if people feel intimidated[sp] by these veils - then they should be banned.

I'm intimidated by your opinion, does that mean it should be banned?

Thats censorship, and that is what I am EXTREMELY against. Not just because I want to do or say what I want, but because it causes chain reactions. Think of it this way: If veils get banned because people dont like it and such, think about all the other doors that open for other things to be banned.

Example:

A show is pulled from television because muslims say they are offended by it. Jews hear about this, and seeing how easily muslims did it, get a different show pulled from the air because they dont like it. Christians dont like a show, they pull one. Its all a chain reaction, and it's all traced down to one thing. If you censor one thing, you have to do the same to many more.

[Acidulantes]

That made no sense at all. What does wearing a veil have to do with being an illegal immigrant? You lost me there. A veil isnt a magic cloak that makes you invisible, you cant hide with it.

If your a muslim and an illegal immigrant (which can and does happen) then wearing a veil all the time is a good way not go get questioned about being an illegal immigrant because to prove you are theyd have to get a picture of your face compared to your passport and if your wearing a veil and someone says take it off, you can just say your offended, call them racist, and walk off living in the country for another few years until somoene else asks you...

[Zazz]

Zazz, in response to you saying I lied, I didnt... If youve ever been to birmingham at christma... Im sorry, late december, you wont have seen anything like christmas lights or santas grottos because the muslim community said it offended them, and now the shops arent allowed to sell christmas cards either... theyre called 'festive lights' and 'festive cards' and I think you should stop calling people liars...



He didnt say theres a particular way you should dress he said theres no need... there is a difference.



And in response to you trying to get one over on ad'am too...

Anything that looks intimidating should be banned be it religious or not...

So theres no need to wear a turban or a kippot? So you're basically saying, once your in this country, you don't need to wear any religious cloths?


Sikhs have been allowed to wear a Kirpan at schools, now would you find that intimidating. Veils dont make much of a difference.