9/11 Conspiracies - What do you think happened? - [Closes 13/05/07]

[Seatherny]

Good one, how about calling me a "Smelly poo poo face" as well, since that will also help make you look intellgent.


Im just quoteing what your saying.

In a wrong way.

He was president before 2000? You dont seem to understand more than one person can share the same sirname. George W. Bush (junior) and George H W Bush (senior - his father) are differnt people, like Osama bin laden and Salem bin Laden are differnt people "bush" and "laden" are sirnames...


Your talking that scale to blow a building down in the style you seem to want? or should we use 100 or so tones of gunpowder as thats much easyer to hide...

You dont need a nuke to blow it up >.>

How the hell did you prove me wrong, Bin Laden WAS A FRIEND of Bush.
Bin laden refers to both osarma and his brother, and Bush refers to present G W bush, the present one, and his father, former present G H W Bush.


So far that comment sums up your aurgument pretty well.


Management of what? Mc Donald's? well sorry i didnt think it was so difficult to understand the request not to have all the crap pasted on top of a burger.

You told me I was stupid for not realising you meant width of the WTC? Now you are stupid for not realising mgmt of hxf

America and an american are differnt things, so what you just said there is probably true.

America then. Why dont you try and answer my main point, insteading of twisting things again?

Really? You mean it wasnt just a desolate wasteland, wow we never knew that. I take it officers all point there cctv camras at the pentigon, as watching there own property? well what would be the point in that.

Again, a stupid argument you have made. Some CCTV end up capturing the pentagon as well as the offices. A CCTV doesnt only capture just 1 building you know.

And to FlyingJesus or whatever, this was a good argument untill you and mentor started making stupid points, and ignoring or twisting the points where you were prooved wrong.

[FlyingJesus]

Actually our points answer the questions put forward and counter the conspiracy ideas.. they're hardly stupid. If you'd like to point out something that's actually to do with the debate question where either one of us has been proved wrong, go ahead. You have ignored many points made, and also "twist" things by using simple insults rather than proper arguments.

This thread is so far now from the actual debate topic that it's almost pointless, it's just you trying to argue that not only petrol garages have CCTV.

[Ekalb]

This is getting beyond stupid.
Stop criticising each others' spelling and grammar and debate on the topic.
You're acting like two year olds. YOU STOLE MY TOY. NO I DIDN'T CAUSE YOUR FAT LOL.

There are facts supporting each argument so I'm going from it all being terrorists, gradually to it being a bit of a conspiracy.

[Seatherny]

Actually our points answer the questions put forward and counter the conspiracy ideas.. they're hardly stupid. If you'd like to point out something that's actually to do with the debate question where either one of us has been proved wrong, go ahead.

Read my posts properly and you will realise you have been proove wrong.

You have ignored many points made, and also "twist" things by using simple insults rather than proper arguments.

Ignored points such as?

This thread is so far now from the actual debate topic that it's almost pointless, it's just you trying to argue that not only petrol garages have CCTV.


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Anyway I cannot be bothered arguing anymore. I am sorry for calling you stupid.

I still think the goverment did it all. Why do the goverments data say Bin Laden is left handed, but in the video, which America "secretly" film, show him eating and writing with his right hand?

I still wonder why they stopped the American officials from flying that day? If they knew about the threat, why didn't they ground all the flights?

Why didn't the engines from the plane make a hole in the pentagon?

Why was the same hot liquid found under WTC and WT7?

Where did the gold from under the twin towers go?

Why were they so stupid as to not evacute the second WTC when the first one was hit?

How come no traces of a plane were found in the pentagon?

[---MAD---]

Actually our points answer the questions put forward and counter the conspiracy ideas.. they're hardly stupid. If you'd like to point out something that's actually to do with the debate question where either one of us has been proved wrong, go ahead.

Read my posts properly and you will realise you have been proove wrong.

You have ignored many points made, and also "twist" things by using simple insults rather than proper arguments.

Ignored points such as?

This thread is so far now from the actual debate topic that it's almost pointless, it's just you trying to argue that not only petrol garages have CCTV.


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Anyway I cannot be bothered arguing anymore. I am sorry for calling you stupid.

I still think the goverment did it all. Why do the goverments data say Bin Laden is left handed, but in the video, which America "secretly" film, show him eating and writing with his right hand?

I still wonder why they stopped the American officials from flying that day? If they knew about the threat, why didn't they ground all the flights?

Why didn't the engines from the plane make a hole in the pentagon?

Why was the same hot liquid found under WTC and WT7?

Where did the gold from under the twin towers go?

Why were they so stupid as to not evacute the second WTC when the first one was hit?

How come no traces of a plane were found in the pentagon?

First off, let me make clear that this shouldn't be an arguement. Its a debate. You debate each other's points explaining why they are invalid or incorrect with your beliefs and ideas.

Heres my side of the debate answering your questions:

I still think the goverment did it all. Why do the goverments data say Bin Laden is left handed, but in the video, which America "secretly" film, show him eating and writing with his right hand?
In the Muslim religion you have to (if your very extreme) eat with your right hand.
I still wonder why they stopped the American officials from flying that day? If they knew about the threat, why didn't they ground all the flights?
They didn't know.
Why didn't the engines from the plane make a hole in the pentagon?
It did.
Why was the same hot liquid found under WTC and WT7?
because the steel melted I guess? I don't even know where you got that idea from.
Where did the gold from under the twin towers go?
Gold? I don't believe there was any gold..and if there was it probably got burried. Surely if it was all about money, they would bomb a bank.
Why were they so stupid as to not evacute the second WTC when the first one was hit?
Do you know how many people are in each tower? Do you know how complex it is to plan an attack of this scale and think it will happen to not 1 but both towers?
Do you have any idea how hard it is to tell everyone to evacute a building of that size within a few minutes?
How come no traces of a plane were found in the pentagon?
They were, but they were removed because after all its the pentagon.

[BL!NKEY]

Ok if George Bush or the government was behind this why would they want it to happen?

Why would they want to have an excuse to go to war in Iraq?

No one wants to go into war just for fun.

If the government is behind this, which I dont think they are, there is probably a lot of other information that they know and we dont.

I just wonder if in the future we will know for sure. Like when the officials retire and maybe one of them leaks.

[Seatherny]

Bin Laden wouldnt really let himself be filmed talking to his people saying YES I DID IT ALL. I mean, he released a tape straight after 9/11 saying he DIDNT do it. Why would he admit to it, to his people in december. Wouldnt they already know? I find it a bit weird that near every election, they release a tape of Bin Laden, followed by a speech from Bush. Maybe its a tactic to boost votes?

In the Muslim religion you have to (if your very extreme) eat with your right hand.

Hmm ok.

They didn't know.

Why stop the officials from flying then?

The engines did make a hole in the pentagon.

No it didnt. There was only 1 hole in the pentagon, not 3.

because the steel melted I guess? I don't even know where you got that idea from.

That specific hot liquid is used in bombs. I cant remember the name of the liquid. I got the idea from Loose Change.

Where did the gold from under the twin towers go?

Gold? I don't believe there was any gold..and if there was it probably got burried. Surely if it was all about money, they would bomb a bank.

The banks stored the gold under the WTC. So er, they did kind of rob a bank

Do you know how many people are in each tower? Do you know how complex it is to plan an attack of this scale and think it will happen to not 1 but both towers?
Do you have any idea how hard it is to tell everyone to evacute a building of that size within a few minutes?

They have evacuation procedures, which they should have followed. They didnt let anyone out of the building.


They were, but they were removed because after all its the pentagon.

Actually, no traces of the plane were found. They said it fully burnt, yet they were able to take sample DNA's which prooved the plane crashed?

[Mentor]

I started responding but got board, so instead im just going to disprove your argument again.

Why do the goverments data say Bin Laden is left handed, but in the video, which America "secretly" film, show him eating and writing with his right hand?
Islamic law.

I still wonder why they stopped the American officials from flying that day? If they knew about the threat, why didn't they ground all the flights?
Thats a lie, or at least a mis-representation of facts, this utterly stupid claim is based on the evidence that Ashcroft stopped flying on commercial airlines two months before Sept. 11 and started taking chartered government planes instead.
Ashcroft is one man not the entire government, and this happened 2 months prior, not on the day.

Where did the gold from under the twin towers go?
It didnt go anyware, it was recovered a few weeks later under federal supervision.

Why was the same hot liquid found under WTC and WT7?
If your refering to the "White hot liquid aluminum" that was seen, then i think that one answers itself. Remeber that fire? guess what it effect it had.

Why didn't the engines from the plane make a hole in the pentagon?
because they just smooshed striaght in to it, planes are built to be light, which means there not especially strong. A turbine with a thin aluminum coating wont get very far trying to travel through a massive reinforced concrete block, its like throwing a glass at a wall and expecting it to get through.

How come no traces of a plane were found in the pentagon?
They were, i even showed you a picture of part of one of the engines in fact?


Also? no traces of the plane were found huh?




Was it done blind folded by any chance?

[mat64]

Just watch kk

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?...12003&q=9%2F11

Belive it or not, I just sat and watched the whole 1 hour and 27 minutes of that. That for me sums it all up, the visible "Squibs". The unknown construction work on floor 34 that even William Rodriguez, Who was honored a hero for saving many people lives said he was "scared" when he heard the noises on the 34th floor, As it was empty. No one should have been there on that floor, He said that even the elevator didn't stop on floor 34, No one should have been there, He was scared to go onto floor 34 to see what was happening, The man that went against the orders not to return to the towers for his own safety but still went back, Was scared to look on the 34th floor.

Like it says, Secrets can't be kept forever. One day we will know the truth of that day.

Why didn't the engines from the plane make a hole in the pentagon?
It did.
Why was the same hot liquid found under WTC and WT7?
because the steel melted I guess? I don't even know where you got that idea from.

Steels melting point is believed to be ~1510ºC, Looking at the towers you can see the fire were oxygen starved (Dark smoke), Hence the large amounts of smoke. The fires in the towers were well below 800ºC.

If you just have sometime to watch that video, Even the first 30 minutes says most of it.

[Camy]

Why would they want to have an excuse to go to war in Iraq?

For the huge ammounts of oil iraq has or had im not sure, im not saying i believe the government did it, but isnt a coincidence, wen oil supplies were starting to get low... ;l