EMA (Education Maintenance Allowance)

[GommeInc]

Wow, so now you're suggesting for students to get in debt before they even get to go to Uni? I know it happens, but if saving up EMA helps me to get to Uni without being in as much debt, then so be it.

Your first sentence makes no sense, so I assume you know nothing of the University Student Loans. And also, you don't immediately start paying back the debt. And saving up the EMA won't do much, and again, that's not its purpose -.- A better system that doesn't pay out to students will be better for both the student and the system.

So now you are suggesting if people want to go to Uni, that they should, get in debt, then study, and have a job, all at the same time? wow? how many people do you see doing that?

Again, you know nothing of University. It's study, pass, then be in debt. And saving up the EMA will still keep you in debt, so this comment is completely irrelevant. And also, getting in debt requires no effort. University work only takes two to five hours a day - you can easily fit a job round that, either on campus or at a local store. If you're that lazy then you should probably not go to University in the first place. I know what I am talking about, you, franky, do not.

Lol, no, I'm not avoiding the point, just rubbing your face in another way that EMA could be used for EDUCATION MAINTENANCE, didn't you know Uni is also a part of the Education? :rolleyes: -sarcasm-

You're rubbing your greediness and stupidness in my face? How is that suppose to offend me? You're offending yourself :/ I know education includes University *Removed* Did you not read my comment or the EMA documentation you ignorant imbesile? I shall re-quote:

What is EMA?

Basically, EMA is cash in your hands to help you carry on learning. If you’re 16, 17 or 18 and have left, or are about to leave, compulsory education, then it could be for you.

It is for 16, 17 or 18 and have left, or are about to leave, compulsory education, then it could be for you. Jeez, again, you know nothing and avoid the point of the EMA -.-

So, now, I'm spending me EMA on useless things? seeing as though I haven't got any EMA yet (as I haven't yet started 6th form), way to go, nice jumping to conclusions their, however, yes, I have spent £350 of my EMA, on a laptop which I will be using for school work, Oh wait, that's something else that I will be using for education! thanks to my EMA, I leant the money off my nan until just before Chistmas, so when I have got enough EMA in my bank account, I will pay her back.

I never said you were spending the EMA on useless things? I said "stop spending on useless things". I didn't say "stop spend IT on useless things." Trying to re-word what I have said shows a losing argument. If you can't save up your money from work, or any sort of allowance (parents should be getting child benefits if they're that bad for money), then it's easy as that - stop spending on useless things -.- And you seem to yet again be losing my point. I am for the EMA in a different way that stops useless spending - the EMA should be an organisation or agency which gives monetary help for transport, eduipment and so on, without giving money to the students in question. Besides, a laptop isn't a necessary item for college

Wow, understatement of the year? say that to the hundreds of thousands of people who have been made unemployed this year, FACT, my parents are a couple of those.

Job seekers allowance and saving, FACT

No i'm not, you are the trying to ram crap alternatives to EMA down peoples throats.

I'm sorry if you like the words debt and broke It's a better alternative for students and an organisation, FACT. Bus passes last longer than having to pay for a ticket each day, which means it will cost the student less anyway because the EMA is weekly, so unless you've taking out a loan for a bus pass before hand, paying for a weekly ticket is more money. FACT.

Yet again, I don't see you providing any proof of ANYONE saying that EMA is a waste and is not needed, all I see is you giving you opinions and your alternatives, with other people on this forum who are not receiving EMA agreeing with them.

Loads of said, and of course you won't disagree - you're greedy :/ Loads of people who don't receive the EMA disagree with, and some disagree with the EMA who get the EMA because it is flawed. Unlike you, I pay attention to arguments, threads and what has been said.


Edited by Catzsy (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not be rude to other members. Thanks.

[StefanWolves]

Your first sentence makes no sense, so I assume you know nothing of the University Student Loans. And also, you don't immediately start paying back the debt. And saving up the EMA won't do much, and again, that's not its purpose -.- A better system that doesn't pay out to students will be better for both the student and the system.


Again, you know nothing of University. It's study, pass, then be in debt. And saving up the EMA will still keep you in debt, so this comment is completely irrelevant. And also, getting in debt requires no effort. University work only takes two to five hours a day - you can easily fit a job round that, either on campus or at a local store. If you're that lazy then you should probably not go to University in the first place. I know what I am talking about, you, franky, do not.


You're rubbing your greediness and stupidness in my face? How is that suppose to offend me? You're offending yourself :/ I know education includes University you brain-dead half-wit. Did you not read my comment or the EMA documentation you ignorant imbesile? I shall re-quote:


It is for 16, 17 or 18 and have left, or are about to leave, compulsory education, then it could be for you. Jeez, again, you know nothing and avoid the point of the EMA -.-


I never said you were spending the EMA on useless things? I said "stop spending on useless things". I didn't say "stop spend IT on useless things." Trying to re-word what I have said shows a losing argument. If you can't save up your money from work, or any sort of allowance (parents should be getting child benefits if they're that bad for money), then it's easy as that - stop spending on useless things -.- And you seem to yet again be losing my point. I am for the EMA in a different way that stops useless spending - the EMA should be an organisation or agency which gives monetary help for transport, eduipment and so on, without giving money to the students in question. Besides, a laptop isn't a necessary item for college



Job seekers allowance and saving, FACT


I'm sorry if you like the words debt and broke It's a better alternative for students and an organisation, FACT. Bus passes last longer than having to pay for a ticket each day, which means it will cost the student less anyway because the EMA is weekly, so unless you've taking out a loan for a bus pass before hand, paying for a weekly ticket is more money. FACT.


Loads of said, and of course you won't disagree - you're greedy :/ Loads of people who don't receive the EMA disagree with, and some disagree with the EMA who get the EMA because it is flawed. Unlike you, I pay attention to arguments, threads and what has been said.

Wow, I was going to quote what I believed I could debate with you, but when I read stuff like this:

You're rubbing your greediness and stupidness

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you're greedy

I relise that I do not want to debate with someone who is hell bent on insulting someone because they can't get one to believe their views.

I shall leave it their, and I'll leave you to insult other people, read my posts again, and again, and again, because you obviously haven't taken them in.

[Danzilla]

The whole system is unfair. You seem to have no argument other than "jealousy" which is blind and somewhat brain dead as you appear to not be taking in any arguments and therefore don't come out with a counter-argument :/ You may be receiving EMA payments, and find it unfair when others who are in a similar circumstance don't receive it, even though when you take the amount of family members into account, and the amount the parents earn into account, you're in the same boat :/

The whole EMA system is terribly flawed and makes no rational sense as a concept. Alot of money must be wasted through the EMA - £30 a week calculating at about over £1,000 per year (taking into account summer, christmas, easter etc) or £10 a week being around £300-500 when all that money could go towards something actually maintaing education, which would be train and bus passes which don't even cost half that (about £400 est. I make it) and they could get free equipment for some pupils e.g. art, photography tax free making less money wasted for things irrelevant for maintaining education - and resit fees don't cost the world either. That sort of system makes more sense and requires less effort on both the student AND the agency sides, than a system which seems to be dangling the carrot infront of people, and alot of people who do receive the EMA spend it on things completely irrelevant. It's no wonder this country doesn't understand the value of money, when education is a gift not to be wasted on people who apparently need money to get out of bed to go places. Don't give them the money, remind them of how lucky they are and give them support through other means which won't cause conflicts and a huge mess at the end of the day.

I wasn't making a argument but its really annoying me now, no matter how much someone says its unfair its not going to change anything, so everyone should just shut up about the whole thing. Jealousy? Excuse me? Jealous of what? People NOT receiving it? I receive the whole £30 so whats there to be jealous about please explain.

[GommeInc]

Wow, I was going to quote what I believed I could debate with you, but when I read stuff like this:

Because you clearly fail to understand any notion of common sense, rationality, reason or any argument put across. It's pure ignorance of anything the EMA is for, you lack any sort of argument. I ask time and time again, what do you do with the EMA and get no response - begging the answer "He has no argument, he's just suffering greed from a terribly flawed system." How can I debate with someone with no argument to debate? It's no wonder the words stupid, ignorant and imbesile are slung at you like so many shoes at a George Bush conference!

It should also be known that I was never rude, Catszy. I was calling the notion of him having no argument stupid. Not him stupid, so that edit was stupid :rolleyes:.

I relise that I do not want to debate with someone who is hell bent on insulting someone because they can't get one to believe their views.

You have/had no argument. Your view on the EMA is "I want money" when the EMA is to "help with money". The system is flawed, it's fact :/ If you were insulted by that, you must hear so many small violins stringing away behind you :/

I wasn't making a argument but its really annoying me now, no matter how much someone says its unfair its not going to change anything, so everyone should just shut up about the whole thing. Jealousy? Excuse me? Jealous of what? People NOT receiving it? I receive the whole £30 so whats there to be jealous about please explain.

You were in an argument :S You put forward an argument in a debate. That's what an argument is. An argument isn't this idea that anger is chucked around. An argument is when one case versus another. I disagree with the current EMA system is one argument or idea put forward, while another argument is "I agree with the EMA system" and then you get counter-arguments of what's not good and good about the system. Some people really should learn what an argument is, it's worrying how argument is being miss used in this forum :/ No, I'm saying that using "jealousy" as a response to "the EMA is a flawed system" is a poor argument, when loads of people who receive the EMA know it is a flawed system because it doesn't look at students by a case by case instance. A single child with a single parent earning £20,000 a year is an unfair system, that child should NOT be getting any EMA.

Are people really bad at reading my argument? It would seem so

[N!ck]

EMA is a good idea, but the system that decides who gets it/how much is wrong. My parents earned just over the limit for me getting any EMA, yet they gave me barely any money, so I was worse off than the "poor" kids on EMA. Just because parents earn more doesn't necessarily mean they give their kids more, and just because parents earn less they may still give their kids loads.

My opinion on EMA, which still stands is either everyone should get it or no one should.

[StefanWolves]

EMA is a good idea, but the system that decides who gets it/how much is wrong. My parents earned just over the limit for me getting any EMA, yet they gave me barely any money, so I was worse off than the "poor" kids on EMA. Just because parents earn more doesn't necessarily mean they give their kids more, and just because parents earn less they may still give their kids loads.

My opinion on EMA, which still stands is either everyone should get it or no one should.

I agree, the money should be broken up even more, the children with parents who don't bring in any money should get £40, the children whose families are well off should get £10, so at least they're getting some sort of benefit too.

[Kyle!]

Yeah I'm getting the full £30. Really annoyed that you're only allowed 5 days off the whole year or it'll get stopped the next time your off without a doctors line. Very stupid, and annoying.

[StefanWolves]

Yeah I'm getting the full £30. Really annoyed that you're only allowed 5 days off the whole year or it'll get stopped the next time your off without a doctors line. Very stupid, and annoying.

I didn't think you were allowed any time off at all?

[Callum.]

Yeah I'm getting the full £30. Really annoyed that you're only allowed 5 days off the whole year or it'll get stopped the next time your off without a doctors line. Very stupid, and annoying.

I was planning on 100% attendance so it's fine.

[JamesM115]

It's ********. Works like this, if your parents arnt lazy you get nothing at all, if they are lazy and claim every penny off the goverment you get it. My parents pay for your lazy parents. GET A JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Unless your parent have a vaild reason e.g. single with little kids.