Rule on Saying someone is a Scammer

[Josie Maran]

If someone was reported a lot, the absolute worst Habbox could do would be to take them off the Official Safe Traders list, which I doubt they'd be on anyway

So basically someone could keep scamming and scamming and nothing would happen?

[F32]

So basically someone could keep scamming and scamming and nothing would happen?

Tell it to Habbo, not Habbox.

Habbox can do nothing about it.

[ReviewDude]

So basically someone could keep scamming and scamming and nothing would happen?

Yep. Well, if they did it on Habbox there's nothing we could do. Same goes if posting someone is a scammer was allowed - if I posted "OMG xxx JUST SCAMMED ME 2T DON'T TRUST" on every thread, Moderators couldn't prove it either way. This one is far better and less harmful.

[Seacat]

There isn't actually a rule in the Habbox Forum rules that state members are not allowed to scam. Clearly this doesn't justify people scamming but it means that unless we have solid proof we cannot ban for it. The rules do state that people must abide by Habbo Hotel rules as well, but if Habbo Hotel rules are broken then that is a matter for Habbo Hotel to deal with.

I have banned people for scamming in the past when there is solid proof or it is just obvious that the person has scammed, but unfortunately we don't have particular banning guidelines for suspected scammers, as that's what the majority are - suspected. In real life you wouldn't lock someone up because you suspected they murdered your aunt, because even if you were sure they did, if you don't have proof then you can't just ruin their reputation.

It's similar to that on Habbox. Even if you are sure that someone did scam, if you don't have solid evidence (and MAD has already stated that such evidence is hard to find) then you cannot ruin their future reputation, as this would mean that no one would trade with the person even though they didn't scam or there was a simple misunderstanding.

Moderators are here to make sure rules arn't broken and people who are scamming are breaking rules but do you tell them off no, you might aswell PM them congratulating them on what a performance they did.

[A4AOwen]

I agree with you, but I also agree that you can never be 100% sure. It's stupid that if you have the proof you need then the scammer should be dealt with. However, today you can get people who are amazing at pixel art. So, if you really hated someone it would be very easy to get them hated on the forum. Possibly this is a rule that should be looked into very carefully so the rue can be changed

[F32]

Thing is; this should work two ways.

You have a safe/trusted list - how can you be 100% sure that they're safe? You've only got people's word for it.

I fail to see how this is any different.

[A4AOwen]

I don't agree with having ay sort of list saying who is safe, who isn't or any sort of details. People gain a reputation if they are safe and likewise if they are unsafe. I have never liked list's because it can lead to problems and seems to always do so.

[ReviewDude]

Thing is; this should work two ways.

You have a safe/trusted list - how can you be 100% sure that they're safe? You've only got people's word for it.

I fail to see how this is any different.

We can't. We have the safe traders list as a guide, not a rule book Anyway, we'd rather let a few scammers get through than have an innocent person's reputation ruined.

[F32]

We can't. We have the safe traders list as a guide, not a rule book Anyway, we'd rather let a few scammers get through than have an innocent person's reputation ruined.

Then why not have an untrusted list as a guide and not a rule book?

Same principel applies.

[Typoh.]

I agree with both as i got an Infranaction from a SMOD for saying someones a scammer - i mean well i wanted to make sure noone elce trades him, like make them aware of it that user isn't even on HxF or Hx the reason was "Accusing/naming anyone of lying/scamming/hacking or any other bad things." soo its pointless if hes not even on the HxF :S but i understand why i was given it and i've accepted it, even though i think its still unfair but anyway his mates are those rich mother ********* on habbo like well rich soo he can get away with murder and he wont lose any rep... stupid..