UKIP Exposed!

[Fez]

While I stand for a fairer justice system, I don't stand for the death penalty been brought back. I believe that if you murder someone, you should get life, a life for a life. But no segregation in prisons, if they get raped and tortured - so be it.

[eight]

Im for the death penalty as long as the reason is good.

If the murder was in self defence of you or protecting someone else, I dont think you should go to jail at all.

If someone was to rob your house, and you attack them and kill them, I dont think you should go to jail.

However if someone goes around looking for people to savagely murder or murder young children, then I'd happily watch them get the capital punishment

[Jordy]

The reason UKIP MEP's haven't done anything useful is probably due to the idea that they try getting elected just to boycott the EU meetings and such... if they're not there they aren't going to be doing much for good policy. It's a crap idea but this article is even worse.

On another note what's up with UKIP using pictures of Churchill everywhere? Fairly sure he wasn't a member :S

He's considered a 'great' britain and it's a very 'british' image. UKIP regularly say how we fought so we weren't part of Europe and how soldiers gave up our lives so we remained the UK, governed by ourselves. Churchill is just a good image they include which sums up why we were fighting in World War II. He was a Tory but I suppose today, Churchill's views are probably closest to UKIP.

Even funnier was that Winston Churchill called for a 'United States of Europe' in a speech in 1946. Extract:

I must now sum up the propositions which are before you. Our constant aim must be to build and fortify the strength of the United Nations Organization. Under and within that world concept we must re-create the European Family in a regional structure called, it may be, the United States of Europe. And the first practical step would be to form a Council of Europe. If at first all the States of Europe are not willing or able to join the Union, we must nevertheless proceed to assemble and combine those who will and those who can. The salvation of the common people of every race and of every land from war or servitude must be established on solid foundations and must be guarded by the readiness of all men and women to die rather than submit to tyranny. In all this urgent work, France and Germany must take the lead together. Great Britain, the British Commonwealth of Nations, mighty America and I trust Soviet Russia-for then indeed all would be well-must be the friends and sponsors of the new Europe and must champion its right to live and shine.

The full speech can be read here:
http://www.europa-web.de/europa/02ww...o/churchil.htm

On the contrary Churchill also said:

We have our own dream and our own task. We are with Europe but not of it. We are linked but not combined. We are interested and associated but not absorbed.

Churchill's views on Europe can be found here, scroll down to #4:
http://www.rogerhelmer.com/eumyth.asp

[xxMATTGxx]

If the BNP get in power then I can assure you, this country will be on it's knees.

I will also leave the country if they got elected. I think its the only party I would never like to see run the United Kingdom.

[Fez]

Im for the death penalty as long as the reason is good.

If the murder was in self defence of you or protecting someone else, I dont think you should go to jail at all.

If someone was to rob your house, and you attack them and kill them, I dont think you should go to jail.

However if someone goes around looking for people to savagely murder or murder young children, then I'd happily watch them get the capital punishment

Murdering someone in self-defence is still murder. I think that the judge should be able to make a fair decision, but more than likely I think they should at least make them face some sort of sentence.

I agree with the robbing house thing, all of it. No one has the right to assault your house, as they themselves could've killed you. Then again it is like self-defence and you should get a small sentence.

I think it's better for them to be in prison for all their life, they may end up killing themselves, it's better than giving them the easy way out with capital punishment.

[Nick.]

I will also leave the country if they got elected. I think its the only party I would never like to see run the United Kingdom.

good luck leaving the country at the ripe old age of ... matt

[ifuseekamy]

He's considered a 'great' britain and it's a very 'british' image. UKIP regularly say how we fought so we weren't part of Europe and how soldiers gave up our lives so we remained the UK, governed by ourselves. Churchill is just a good image they include which sums up why we were fighting in World War II.

Kind of ironic that we fought against a fascist nationalist party and yet here we are with a fascist nationalist party of our own steadily gaining more and more support.

[Catzsy]

He's considered a 'great' britain and it's a very 'british' image. UKIP regularly say how we fought so we weren't part of Europe and how soldiers gave up our lives so we remained the UK, governed by ourselves. Churchill is just a good image they include which sums up why we were fighting in World War II. He was a Tory but I suppose today, Churchill's views are probably closest to UKIP.

On the contrary Churchill also said:

We have our own dream and our own task. We are with Europe but not of it. We are linked but not combined. We are interested and associated but not absorbed.

Churchill's views on Europe can be found here, scroll down to #4:
http://www.rogerhelmer.com/eumyth.asp

Yes well association without being absorbed is the EU although I do appreciate some would like to take our sovereignty too but that is not at this moment in time and is pretty unlikely to happen.

Having read other Churchill speeches I am convinced, although as he is no longer with us I do not know, that he would not have been against it and quite honestly Jordy something out of a conversative web page is not a particuarly reliable source as far as I am concerned. We all know Politicians will skew anything around to seem as if it represents their point of view.
I think what we need is a referendum about the whole subject. UKIP and some of the Conservatives do have some valid views which cannot be denied.
I am not sure if UKIP has enough 'clout' though to make a difference.

Matt, I went on an anti BNP Rally today but I feel, unfortunately, with the expenses rows going on that they will pick up some votes. Hopefully not enough to get any seats.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Winston Churchill in that speech is not calling for a european superstate, he is calling for a european family to avoid future wars, as europe had a history of wars between the French, Spanish and British colonial empires. Winston Churchill would never of wanted european-unelected dominance from Brussels as that was exactly what he was fighting and what millions gave their lives for.

Jordy is correct on the Churchill issue, two of our greatest Prime Ministers, Winston Churchill and Margaret Thatcher were both for a united europe in which trade and relations were close, but not being dominated by europe. We do not need to be governed by Europe to be part of Europe.

As for the thread starter, UKIP participate fully in the European Parliament and defend British interests to the best of their ability, they are not as bad as the Conservatives, Labour and Liberal Democrats when it comes to fraud as the last time UKIP had corruption issues was a few years ago, and Nigel Farage instantly dismissed those members from UKIP. There was one member who he couldn't dismiss as due to Proportional Representation in the European Parliament, you vote for the actual candidate and there was no way Farage and UKIP could call another election.

[alexxxxx]

UKIP are scum mate. They can't fill out any purpose in the Eu parliament and they waste taxpayers money by not turning up. Kilroy Silk was in I'm a celeb get me out of here when he should have been in brussels working. UKIP are failed tories. This is the only thing i think the BNP get right.