Nicholas Sarkozy to 'ban muslim veils'

[Wahey]

Woo Jeremy Clarkson (L)
But seriously, if they're going to live here, they should live by OUR rules. I'm fed up of all this crap about racism

[Jackk]

if i was pm, i'd send them all back.

[Wahey]

if i was pm, i'd send them all back.

God damnit, why don't you become one?

[alexxxxx]

I think the full burkah where there is a only slits for the eyes is disgusting and shows no respect to the women at all. These women are often brainwashed from youth that they must wear these to follow their faith, which is completely untrue. My cousins are muslims, not ONE of them wears a headscarf in any shape or form (and they live in the middle-east). I think the full veil should be banned from public buildings (schools, councils, doctor's surgeories) as one, they pose a security risk (would we let people into public buildings with a motorcycle helmet on or a full balaclava? No. I hope the community and religious leaders can get through to women that they don't have to do as they are told by their male counterparts and that they can do as they wish. I think this is a woman's rights issue as well as a cultural/security issue.

[ifuseekamy]

if i was pm, i'd send them all back.

Send them all back where?

[Catzsy]

Send them all back where?

Also who would you send back? I hope we are going to have an intelligent informed debate here rather than some generalised one sentence answers.

The world is a melting pot of all different cultures. The veil is one tradition in this world. His view is that is demeaning to women and yes it is if those women do not want to wear it and are compelled to but obviously some are happy with the tradition. In this country and other countries many, many refuse to wear the veil and Alex has given examples of this. He is taking away their rights to follow their tradition which to me is as bad as making those women who don't want to wear it comply with the tradition. I think governments should keep out of these issues, personally except when they are a matter of national safety or security.

[Niall!]

Also who would you send back? I hope we are going to have an intelligent informed debate here rather than some generalised one sentence answers.

The world is a melting pot of all different cultures. The veil is one tradition in this world. His view is that is demeaning to women and yes it is if those women do not want to wear it and are compelled to but obviously some are happy with the tradition. In this country and other countries many, many refuse to wear the veil and Alex has given examples of this. He is taking away their rights to follow their tradition which to me is as bad as making those women who don't want to wear it comply with the tradition. I think governments should keep out of these issues, personally except when they are a matter of national safety or security.

No, this isn't all security related for me, only partly.
My view on the subject is this. I don't know if you remember a few months back at Christmas when a muslim family managed to rid a street of its Christmas decorations on the basis that they didn't celebrate Christmas and therefore keeping them there would be racist.

That set me thinking, and the number of cases like this is rising, even here in France. Someone wore a veil to school, something which one member of the class absolutely hated. When asked to take it off, she replied that they were racist and ganging up on her. She went to her parents and get this, the french child was forced to change class because of it.

As for the question as to where, I would send them back to their country. Sure, this would be expensive, but do you want to live in a Britain that isn't run by the British, but other races?

Some of my posts may come across as racist, but I insist that I am not. I have lived in France for 4 years now and have had many racist remarks made. But I adapted to their lifestyle, I didn't force any of my habits or traditions (for example, their fathers day and mothers day is on a different day to us, I didn't force them to celebrate my day).

In conclusion, I believe that immigrating to another country is an agreement that you will not hinder the laws/traditions of the citizens of the country, and to not enforce your tradition on anyone.

[ifuseekamy]

As for the question as to where, I would send them back to their country. Sure, this would be expensive, but do you want to live in a Britain that isn't run by the British, but other races?

Maybe you should ask your French neighbours that considering you are an immigrant in their country.

[Catzsy]

No, this isn't all security related for me, only partly.
My view on the subject is this. I don't know if you remember a few months back at Christmas when a muslim family managed to rid a street of its Christmas decorations on the basis that they didn't celebrate Christmas and therefore keeping them there would be racist.

That set me thinking, and the number of cases like this is rising, even here in France. Someone wore a veil to school, something which one member of the class absolutely hated. When asked to take it off, she replied that they were racist and ganging up on her. She went to her parents and get this, the french child was forced to change class because of it.

As for the question as to where, I would send them back to their country. Sure, this would be expensive, but do you want to live in a Britain that isn't run by the British, but other races?

Some of my posts may come across as racist, but I insist that I am not. I have lived in France for 4 years now and have had many racist remarks made. But I adapted to their lifestyle, I didn't force any of my habits or traditions (for example, their fathers day and mothers day is on a different day to us, I didn't force them to celebrate my day).

In conclusion, I believe that immigrating to another country is an agreement that you will not hinder the laws/traditions of the citizens of the country, and to not enforce your tradition on anyone.

Well I can't say I agree with all of your post but I do agree with the Xmas decoration scenario - that is just a case of political correctness gone mad and would have done nothing for community relations. A well structured well thought out post though. =]

[alexxxxx]

"Send them back to their own country." ALOT if not MOST asians are born in this country and this is their home. You can't "send them back."

When people wear the veil it isn't something they are enforcing on you, they are doing it to themselves. So I don't think that argument holds much weight. But I think it's important that people's faces are seen and we do live in a country where the majority of people think it's acceptable for women (and everyone for that matter) to have to show their faces. Therefore I think that local government, the police, doctors should have the power to ask to ban veils covering their faces. But ultimately it IS a personal decision. I feel split down the middle on this topic because I feel it's wrong to tell people that they can't wear something yet I feel like it's wrong/rude for people to not show their faces and that I believe that certain cultures (not just muslim) have a big issue with women's rights. :eusa_wall