President Blair

[LuketheDuke]

I think the word 'President' gives you some clue as to what his role is to be, surely?

No it doesnt actually, the President of the United States and the President of France have some completely different powers. Therefore I cannot assume what the President of the EU's power would be.

If you want to post some conspiracy theory that the EU is some sort of evil, socialist club for satan worshippers (i can be OTT too!) then go on the debating section and post whatever facts youve found and start a debate on it.

Your welcome to your opinions but your not entitled to post them as facts.

[Catzsy]

Oh that's great news! He would be brilliant.

[-:Undertaker:-]

No it doesnt actually, the President of the United States and the President of France have some completely different powers. Therefore I cannot assume what the President of the EU's power would be.

If you want to post some conspiracy theory that the EU is some sort of evil, socialist club for satan worshippers (i can be OTT too!) then go on the debating section and post whatever facts youve found and start a debate on it.

Your welcome to your opinions but your not entitled to post them as facts.

If you'd like me to post the hundreds of thousands of pages of exactly what the job would include then you have another thing coming, just like when we elect the Prime Minister we dont look through the thousands of pages which would be a indication of what powers the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom has/does not have - then again at least we get to vote for the Prime Minister, well in most cases.

I have posted how the European Union is to the left of politics by giving a clear example of the Kinnocks, you however have chosen to ignore this.

I haven't made anything up about the job he is being offered and I gave my opinion and the news in question, so which part did I make up?

[ifuseekamy]

I've just never seen the point of the EU anyway without getting into how autocratic and socialist it is. They seem to run on the basis that we couldn't possibly coexist with other European countries if a union didn't exist... why aren't they enticing America to join and take on the euro too? Surely they won't be able to open trades and run a smooth economy unless they are one with Europe! Heaven forbid they're consuming asymmetrical vegetables.

Obviously they'll want Blair as he's the EU's biggest fanboy.

[alexxxxx]

Undertaker doesn't even understand what the EU does, nor what a free market is or how the Schengen area works, so I wouldn't bother trying to debate with him on this subject as he believes that Thatcher (the PM who raised unemployment to 3.6million and sold out much of our national services out to her rich mates) was the best PM ever.

It's not worth your time, he's already been brainwashed by the daily fail mail.

[LuketheDuke]

Ok my problem here is that you post saying Blair would have rule over Europe with some sort of never seen before unprecedented power.

This will be the first such role so who knows what this person will do or what powers he will be allowed to have? Youve jumped to conclusions totally in answering this question in a way which would suit your anti EU views so Id say thats making something up. We also all know what the PM does because we're familiar with the role so I think thats a poor counter argument.

As for your Kinnock argument well thats a total matter of opinion isnt it? Youve taken the fact he was a member of the Labour party and twisted it to mean that just because hes served as the Commisioner of the EU than this automatically means its a left of centre establishment. Other people who have served in the role have been right leaning politicians so I dont see where your points coming from. The role requires a good politician, not a politician of a certain ideology

You dont have to publish pages and pages of what a President would do but it wouldnt help to establish some facts instead of jumping to conclusions.

[Sammeth.]

President is usually the head of something, such as head of state which means Tony Blair will have a powerful role within the European Union. They are trying to centralise the European Union at the moment so the European Union becomes more powerful, removing sovereign state independance even more than it has been eroded now.

Yeah I know what a president is, but that isn't remotely related to what I had said. Anyway, moved on now. But jeez.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I've just never seen the point of the EU anyway without getting into how autocratic and socialist it is. They seem to run on the basis that we couldn't possibly coexist with other European countries if a union didn't exist... why aren't they enticing America to join and take on the euro too? Surely they won't be able to open trades and run a smooth economy unless they are one with Europe! Heaven forbid they're consuming asymmetrical vegetables.

Obviously they'll want Blair as he's the EU's biggest fanboy.

Oh indeed your one hundred and twenty percent correct, people such as alexxxxx and LukeTheDuke believe and tell us the world would come crumbling down if the European Union didn't exist, despite the fact Europe has governed itself for the past one thousand+ years without the European Union. They may make the point of the Daily Mail (which is all they can seem to say about me nowadays) but i'll just bring up the Guardian now, of which they all buy but the rest of the country does not, because I find it quite funny how the left-wing Guardian newspaper has to be subsidised because not enough people buy it anymore - I think that is telling us what people think of socialism in this country.

Undertaker doesn't even understand what the EU does, nor what a free market is or how the Schengen area works, so I wouldn't bother trying to debate with him on this subject as he believes that Thatcher (the PM who raised unemployment to 3.6million and sold out much of our national services out to her rich mates) was the best PM ever.

It's not worth your time, he's already been brainwashed by the daily fail mail.

I can't believe i'm hearing this rubbish about Thatcher yet again, is that why Tony Blair is after power in Europe and why he, Peter Mandelson and Neil Kinnock (all so called true Labour supporters/socialists) have cashed in on the European gravy train?

Thatcher wasn't the one who ran this country into the ground, she wasn't the one who set Russia and eastern europe back one hundred or so years, she wasn't the one who let millions starve in the 1970s and she wasnt the one who has imposed cameras all across this country and has stripped away civil rights - who did?, the left.

You can employ people based on debt as Labour and James Callaghan did which made this country bankrupt, but it never works and as shown in the USSR, PROC under Mao and North Korea - socialism failed and Thatcher and Reagan put it out of its slow and painful decline.

Ok my problem here is that you post saying Blair would have rule over Europe with some sort of never seen before unprecedented power.

This will be the first such role so who knows what this person will do or what powers he will be allowed to have? Youve jumped to conclusions totally in answering this question in a way which would suit your anti EU views so Id say thats making something up. We also all know what the PM does because we're familiar with the role so I think thats a poor counter argument.

As for your Kinnock argument well thats a total matter of opinion isnt it? Youve taken the fact he was a member of the Labour party and twisted it to mean that just because hes served as the Commisioner of the EU than this automatically means its a left of centre establishment. Other people who have served in the role have been right leaning politicians so I dont see where your points coming from. The role requires a good politician, not a politician of a certain ideology

You dont have to publish pages and pages of what a President would do but it wouldnt help to establish some facts instead of jumping to conclusions.

I never said he would ' rule over Europe with unprecedented power' - do not put words in my mouth.

[alexxxxx]

i can't believe you are linking to that website , that is left-wing and pro-eu. contradicts the 'no to european union' bit on your sig. infact, it sort of is against what you are all about. it doesn't want the UK to have these opt-outs, which 'the left' got us.

the torys left those without relevant skills to rot in decaying towns and villages without helping them find new employment or reskill them. they pulled the plug so fast that sparks came out of the socket. it's not even like the people WANTED the tories in, they got 43.5% of the popular vote when they were elected, yet you have the cheek to say that gordon brown is 'unlected.'

[ifuseekamy]

Blair will be a great president in the sense he's everything the EU wants - what would be the point in a president who opposes the EU? However, I am not a fan of the EU at all. They put pressure on countries to totally integrate by making mitigated threats suggesting that a nation would collapse economically and socially because the rest of Europe would cut all ties. Essentially the EU is the modern day Napoleon/Habsburg/Soviet Union/Third Reich , all of which were about centralising power in a European superstate.