Britain 'opposed' to EU Federalist Herman Van Rompuy becoming European President

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well seeing as noone is asking for that, bar tax haromonisation.

we all have our own flags, anthems, armies... and any attempt to take them would be a great mistake.

I was just saying my view on what that UKIP leader thinks what they want.

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i think ukip is against it not the whole of britian

..is that why we've been given a referendum/choice on the EU?, oh wait my mistake, we haven't.

how is this shocking?

if it's shocking the only thing that is, is that the foreign relations of europe are now so tight after centuries of wars.

It is shocking because people such as you, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and the rest of the Brussels elite don't give a damn what the people want or say, and just carry on like its your own tinpot dictatorship.

I'll hand it to Robert Mugabe, at least he doesn't pretend Zimbabwe is a democracy.

Well it was a gradual further integration graced from permission of all governments rather than a forceful invasion by a dictator.

Where is the permission/mandate from the people of Europe and the United Kingdom?

well seeing as noone is asking for that, bar tax haromonisation.

we all have our own flags, anthems, armies... and any attempt to take them would be a great mistake.

..but oh it's just fine to have 84% of our laws made by the unelected EU is it?

[alexxxxx]

..is that why we've been given a referendum/choice on the EU?, oh wait my mistake, we haven't.

good ol' crappy argument again.

It is shocking because people such as you, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and the rest of the Brussels elite don't give a damn what the people want or say, and just carry on like its your own tinpot dictatorship.

I'll hand it to Robert Mugabe, at least he doesn't pretend Zimbabwe is a democracy.

The people in the comission and parliament will continue doing their jobs as set by the european council. Blame the national parliaments not the EU itself for its own existence. It only exists because democratically elected governments made it so. There is no 'higher force' like in the Soviet Union or in Nazi-Occupied europe. The EU is literally employed to do its job as by how the member states ask it to do so. If you have a job to integrate Europe further, that's what you'd do unless told otherwise.

Where is the permission/mandate from the people of Europe and the United Kingdom?

..but oh it's just fine to have 84% of our laws made by the unelected EU is it?

The National Parliaments gave their mandates and it is fine that we make our laws like so. Why don't you go and learn about democracy and how the EU works.

On another note Nick Griffin gave an excellent speech in the Parliament on the 11th about how we villanise russia unfairly compared to the actions of other dodgy states that we deal with (the USA and china for example) and that we have been very hippocritical. Impressive.

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good ol' crappy argument again.

What, the democracy argument? - give the people a say and if they vote for the European Union then I have no argument left what so ever, but you won't support the idea of the people getting their say on an instiutional that makes 84% of their laws because you know people can see right through it.

The people in the comission and parliament will continue doing their jobs as set by the european council. Blame the national parliaments not the EU itself for its own existence. It only exists because democratically elected governments made it so. There is no 'higher force' like in the Soviet Union or in Nazi-Occupied europe. The EU is literally employed to do its job as by how the member states ask it to do so. If you have a job to integrate Europe further, that's what you'd do unless told otherwise.

The Commission is the higher force and you know it, while in Britain you and other Europhiles may pretend its just a loose organisation of states, across in the mainland MEPs' openly admit the EU is a federal superstate in the making, infact when we signed up to the EEC it was actually on the white papers.

The National Parliaments gave their mandates and it is fine that we make our laws like so. Why don't you go and learn about democracy and how the EU works.

We had the mandate from the Labour Party in 2005, which stated they would hold a referendum on EU reformal - they lied, maybe its you who should learn not to trust politicians, especially the Lib/Lab/Con elite.

On another note Nick Griffin gave an excellent speech in the Parliament on the 11th about how we villanise russia unfairly compared to the actions of other dodgy states that we deal with (the USA and china for example) and that we have been very hippocritical. Impressive.

Valclav Klaus and Nigel Farage also give great speeches on how we are quick to call Iran/Zimbabwe/China/former Soviet Union undemocratic yet Europe won't even give its own people a say.

Impressive indeed.