Abuse of staff powers / Outright fail in communications and knowledge of rules.

[Yoshimitsui]

The way i always followed was that if that member had come online to the forum and logged in after the PM to remove had been sent then they got a warning and so on. Never 24 hours as people come and go as they wish.

[Seatherny]

I think it should be changed to 48 hours as its possible a user could have come online for minutes to check a thread and didnt check their PM.

Also it would be a good idea to clearly state the time limit on the PM.

[Hecktix]

The way i always followed was that if that member had come online to the forum and logged in after the PM to remove had been sent then they got a warning and so on. Never 24 hours as people come and go as they wish.

We still follow that principle, however usually they would be online before 24 hours after the PM, but we believe it's only fair that we give a user time to get round to doing it, therefore if they have been online within 24 hours of the PM this is what you could call a fair time.

Obviously if it's 24 hours after the PM and they haven't been online, no warning would be issued until they have come online (only if then they had still failed to remove the avatar).

[The Professor]

Sounds like a communication fail, calling it power abuse is a bit mad.

[Mentor]

I will use a perfect example:

Laws in real life change all time time e.g. smoking ban in public areas. You have to keep up-to-date with the rules and follow them.
If you didn't temporarily remove it after the Super Moderator's warning, its your fault.

I believe it is you who should read the rules from time to time.

Here are the rules: http://www.habboxforum.com/faq.php?f...aq_rules_forum
Feel free to read them

Its like if a police office comes up to you and says its illegal not to give him a £5. Then arrests him when you dont and point out there is no such law.

If they did that people wouldnt be "oh noes, you should read the lawz moar. The police officer was obviously right"

I am the one who has read the rules and has actually looked at what they say, not invincible. I read them through a few times in fact while creating my original post. Feel free to confirm that

I will give it to you that it does not say anywhere to the public that you have 24 hours to remove it. I think this is a thing we may have to include to stop any confusion. Although the rule states for the Super Moderators that the user has up to 24 hours to remove any oversized avatar and signature. (That's if they have been online)

It did indeed get passed on, I said that the Super Moderator summed it up and that your avatar was still over the current limits. Once you replied back, I mentioned that your usergroup got changed from Platinum > Emerald because it didn't match up. (Which I did say if it was a mistake, let me know and I will see what I could do). I did indeed tell you to contact Jin regarding the Gold VIP for 3 months for users being on forum for over 5 years due to Nvrspk4 not really being around, who first started it. Although, I never did say it was an alternative and that your avatar should stay.

If i had that VIP my avatar would be allowed to stay though. Thus i consider my attempt to obtain it as part of fixing the issue.

even if i had brought vip then and there chances are my avatar would still have been removed before it came though. Inadequate time was provided in order to do this.

Equally, when it comes down to it as far as the rules go. I'm allowed the avatar anyway

There is rules regarding Avatar and Signatures in the FAQ. Which can be found at two places:

1. http://habboxforum.com/faq.php?faq=n..._userpostranks

2. http://habboxforum.com/faq.php?faq=n...aq_item_avatar

Link one contains information on what avatar sizes you can set while in a group. This is a limit imposed by the forum software.
It does not mention that if you are no longer in this group, your avatar should be removed, nore that it is against the rules to retain the avatar.
Equally it at no point mentions a rule reguarding avatar size at all, it only tells you the sizes you can set while in groups.

The second link contains the same information and has the same limits.

Neather state;
Any rule regarding size of avatar
Any rule requiring avatars be resized when group changes

Regarding your user-rank, I explained above which is most likely causing the avatar issue.

"What is the set avatar size for a Habbox member?" I would of thought that meant that there is a set size for different ranks. Then it also mentions VIP sizes.

They are the sizes you can set when in a particular rank. I do not see how this implys even loosely it should then require changing when you change usergroup.

It's not a non-existent rule, I would say it might be a rule that isn't full on clear to some members but from what I remember, it's been like this for a while. Just the ranking system has been changed over the years but hasn't changed since.

Its a rule that is not listed in the rules?
Its a rule thats never referred to as a rule?
Its a rule that has never been stated?
I've been on the forum a very long time, i'ts changed a good few times that i am aware of. I fail to see the significance of how long ago these changes happened, when my avatar still pre-dates them?

Sounds like a communication fail, calling it power abuse is a bit mad.

The rule does not exist. Hence the enforcing of it can be interpreted as nothing else?

[FlyingJesus]

Avatar size limit itself
This rule does not and has NEVER existed. It is totally made up.

http://www.habboxforum.com/faq.php?f...aq_item_avatar

Gaining a user-rank allows you to set an avatar to a larger size. Having achieved this i did set my avatar to this size.
There is NO rule that says i should ever have to resize it if the rankings are changed to the point i no long have this rank.
There is NO rule that says i cannot have an avatar as large as i had it - regardless of rank of vip status

A change of rules does actually mean that you have to comply with the new ones, regardless of what was the case before.

I'd really like to agree with you but you don't actually have a winning point here. The 24 hour thing is a kinda minor issue considering you didn't have to be given any time at all - I've had avatars removed and only been PMd afterwards in the past, and my late great usertitle of "I hate fat people" which was on for a few weeks was randomly taken out without so much as a note as to it being done, but it's quite easy to move on from such things.

They are the sizes you can set when in a particular rank. I do not see how this implys even loosely it should then require changing when you change usergroup.

Because you're not in the same usergroup any more, clearly

[Mentor]

http://www.habboxforum.com/faq.php?f...aq_item_avatar

Again, this is not listed in the forum rules.
All this states if what sizes can be set from specific user groups
No mention is made to what should happen if you move to a differnt user group than the one you were originally in.
It does not say nore imply you cannot keep an avatar you add when in one of these groups

A change of rules does actually mean that you have to comply with the new ones, regardless of what was the case before.

Yet the rule is not listed as a rule? even now?

I'd really like to agree with you but you don't actually have a winning point here. The 24 hour thing is a kinda minor issue considering you didn't have to be given any time at all - I've had avatars removed and only been PMd afterwards in the past, and my late great usertitle of "I hate fat people" which was on for a few weeks was randomly taken out without so much as a note as to it being done, but it's quite easy to move on from such things.

This is an avatar i've had here a very long time, and i was removed for a reason that has no basis in the rules.
The change to vip solution was only offered as i didnt really want to bother having to point this out. But since it was ignored, here i am pointing out. the rules do not include any rule mention avatar sizes.

In addition to the fact the avatar rules make no mention nore impliction of being rules. The fact they do not exist in rules page - nore are linked, but instead as FAQ style answers as would be expected in an faq, leads me to believe these probably are just FAQ's not rules at all. They are only being brough up as it is clear this rule, does not, nore has ever - existed.

[Hecktix]

Forum Rules and Terms and Conditions - Last Updated 14th November 2009

Suggests to me that anything past that link are Rules or terms & conditions....

[FlyingJesus]

Like I said, it's implied by the fact that you aren't in that usergroup any more. I'm not a manager any more so I don't get to make community decisions and have certain perms, even though I used to. I used to get trains cheap for being young but that's not the case now either so I have to adapt.

[xxMATTGxx]

Here are the rules: http://www.habboxforum.com/faq.php?f...aq_rules_forum
Feel free to read them

Its like if a police office comes up to you and says its illegal not to give him a £5. Then arrests him when you dont and point out there is no such law.

If they did that people wouldnt be "oh noes, you should read the lawz moar. The police officer was obviously right"

I am the one who has read the rules and has actually looked at what they say, not invincible. I read them through a few times in fact while creating my original post. Feel free to confirm that




If i had that VIP my avatar would be allowed to stay though. Thus i consider my attempt to obtain it as part of fixing the issue.

even if i had brought vip then and there chances are my avatar would still have been removed before it came though. Inadequate time was provided in order to do this.

Equally, when it comes down to it as far as the rules go. I'm allowed the avatar anyway


Link one contains information on what avatar sizes you can set while in a group. This is a limit imposed by the forum software.
It does not mention that if you are no longer in this group, your avatar should be removed, nore that it is against the rules to retain the avatar.
Equally it at no point mentions a rule reguarding avatar size at all, it only tells you the sizes you can set while in groups.

The second link contains the same information and has the same limits.

Neather state;
Any rule regarding size of avatar
Any rule requiring avatars be resized when group changes


They are the sizes you can set when in a particular rank. I do not see how this implys even loosely it should then require changing when you change usergroup.


Its a rule that is not listed in the rules?
Its a rule thats never referred to as a rule?
Its a rule that has never been stated?
I've been on the forum a very long time, i'ts changed a good few times that i am aware of. I fail to see the significance of how long ago these changes happened, when my avatar still pre-dates them?

The rule does not exist. Hence the enforcing of it can be interpreted as nothing else?

The first link I posted contains all the information you would want to know about each rank on the forum. Once you move one to another, you can have bigger avatars and so on. The rank you are currently in is a maximum of 140x140. Your avatar was 150x150. Which you have been told about. This is hardly power abusing at all which you are relating to the SMod's work.

You may have a point that it is not under: (which will be changed)

B2. Signatures/Avatars

• Member signature images may not exceed 700 pixels (width) x 150 pixels (height) in size
• Donator signature images may not exceed 700 pixels x 300 pixels in total size
• Signature font size may not be bigger than 4

But your avatar was still oversized.