Who should win the next General Election? [ENDS 07/02/2010]

[ifuseekamy]

Doesn't matter, it always sways between labour and tories because there's no way to please everyone. British society has always been miserable under either, maybe it's just part of our culture. Anyway like Churchill says "if you're not a liberal when you're 20 you have no heart, if you're not a conservative when you're 40 you have no brain", people's political views change when they get older and have to deal with different social/economic problems.

[Hecktix]

Although i'm sure Mr Griffin would want to raise important issues such as the EU, death penalty and immigration whereas the socialists in that chamber at the moment avoid discussing at all costs. In other words, do what he was elected to do.

Sorry, so he'd come in and start spurting his racist crap. Like Jake said, don't fix things that aren't broken.

The fact we don't have the death penalty = doesn't need changing
EU = doesn't need changing, it will be beneficial for our economy in the long run
Immigration = not an issue.

Nick Griffin is an absolute imbecile, support UKIP all you wish but to go as far to say Nick Griffin would be good in a parliamentary seat, I have to question your sanity.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Sorry, so he'd come in and start spurting his racist crap. Like Jake said, don't fix things that aren't broken.

The fact we don't have the death penalty = doesn't need changing
EU = doesn't need changing, it will be beneficial for our economy in the long run
Immigration = not an issue.

Nick Griffin is an absolute imbecile, support UKIP all you wish but to go as far to say Nick Griffin would be good in a parliamentary seat, I have to question your sanity.

Yes, lets just hope the European Union is going to be benefitcial because you know all the evidence points to it making our country worse off, but because Labour/the left support it you also support it. If you think a unelected, undemocratic, federalist organisation which creates over 80% of our laws is good, I would ask you to question your own sanity rather than that of mine.

You may not think immigration is an issue, but the majority of people in this country do. This is the problem here, the left who are incharge get their way, not what the guy on the street wants. I don't agree with everything the BNP say or Nick Griffin says, but I know the general gist of his message is what rings with the public of this country. The arrogance of the political elite to tackle the EU/immigration/crime will only give the extreme support, and hence why the BNP is hitting the headlines more and more.

[Tash.]

Yes, lets just hope the European Union is going to be benefitcial because you know all the evidence points to it making our country worse off, but because Labour/the left support it you also support it. If you think a unelected, undemocratic, federalist organisation which creates over 80% of our laws is good, I would ask you to question your own sanity rather than that of mine.

You may not think immigration is an issue, but the majority of people in this country do. This is the problem here, the left who are incharge get their way, not what the guy on the street wants. I don't agree with everything the BNP say or Nick Griffin says, but I know the general gist of his message is what rings with the public of this country. The arrogance of the political elite to tackle the EU/immigration/crime will only give the extreme support, and hence why the BNP is hitting the headlines more and more.

Sorry to wade in on this, but just because he is representing what some people think does not make his views correct. I'm sure Nick Griffin is capable of implenting some good policies but i'm pretty confident his racist ones would cancel out the good he does. He's vile from the core.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Sorry to wade in on this, but just because he is representing what some people think does not make his views correct. I'm sure Nick Griffin is capable of implenting some good policies but i'm pretty confident his racist ones would cancel out the good he does. He's vile from the core.

The general gist of his views are correct;-

• No EU control over British affairs.
• Stop uncontrolled immigration.

The extreme points of his views I do not agree with, but what he says i'm afraid the sad reality is that it rings a bell with the majority of people more than that of what the Lib/Lab/Con elite say. As shown by invincibles opinion that immigration and the EU are 'fine' it shows how out of touch the left of which he supports is, and always has been with politics in this country. If Nick Griffin could bring up these issues in Parliament then he has done his job, his general gist of view is representing the mainstream view that we have had enough of sweeping EU controls and we have had enough of uncontrolled immigration.

[Ardemax]

If any party was to get in, I'd hate to seem them discussing something like the death penalty within the first year. There's just way more important issues.

[jackass]

I got...

Labour 28%
Conservative 62%
Greens 35%
LibDem 36%
UKIP 77%

So yeah, UKIP please.

[Tash.]

The general gist of his views are correct;-

• No EU control over British affairs.
• Stop uncontrolled immigration.

The extreme points of his views I do not agree with, but what he says i'm afraid the sad reality is that it rings a bell with the majority of people more than that of what the Lib/Lab/Con elite say. As shown by invincibles opinion that immigration and the EU are 'fine' it shows how out of touch the left of which he supports is, and always has been with politics in this country. If Nick Griffin could bring up these issues in Parliament then he has done his job, his general gist of view is representing the mainstream view that we have had enough of sweeping EU controls and we have had enough of uncontrolled immigration.

How does Invincibles comments show that the left is out of touch? Oli isn't a left-wing politician, he's a member of the electorate like me or you and it is his opinion that immigration is ok as it is and so is our participation in the EU. I personally agree with him, I don't see a need for us to withdraw from the EU at all. The only reason that the immigration policy rings a bell with the 'majority of people' as you put it (though how you can claim this without proof I don't know) is because of the current economic situation. When things get tight people panic and they start to blame it on things that aren't actually anything to do with the situation in the first place. Many people don't even understand the EU so to argue that they're against it is just ignorance of something they don't get. You have had enough of sweeping EU controls and you have had enough of uncontrolled immigration, you can't speak on behalf of the majority of people until you can prove that it is their opinion too. And no, the only thing Nic Griffin has in mind is to rid this country of what he sees to be an unwanted number of people. He's racist to the core and the minute he gets any kind of control on this country I am seeking a way out.

[-:Undertaker:-]

If any party was to get in, I'd hate to seem them discussing something like the death penalty within the first year. There's just way more important issues.

You are right, thats why i'd hold a referendum on EU membership as soon as I gained office as it then means as soon as we have left the European Union we can then hold a referendum on the death penalty as our country could then legally have the power to introduce a policy which its people wanted (if the referendum passed, which it most likely would).

That is why the EU is the most important issue facing this country, you can't seriously tackle anything in Britain without tackling the EU first. Its either the EU way or the publics way, and i'd like the people of this country to be allowed to decide their own future and their own policies.

How does Invincibles comments show that the left is out of touch? Oli isn't a left-wing politician, he's a member of the electorate like me or you and it is his opinion that immigration is ok as it is and so is our participation in the EU. I personally agree with him, I don't see a need for us to withdraw from the EU at all. The only reason that the immigration policy rings a bell with the 'majority of people' as you put it (though how you can claim this without proof I don't know) is because of the current economic situation. When things get tight people panic and they start to blame it on things that aren't actually anything to do with the situation in the first place. Many people don't even understand the EU so to argue that they're against it is just ignorance of something they don't get. You have had enough of sweeping EU controls and you have had enough of uncontrolled immigration, you can't speak on behalf of the majority of people until you can prove that it is their opinion too. And no, the only thing Nic Griffin has in mind is to rid this country of what he sees to be an unwanted number of people. He's racist to the core and the minute he gets any kind of control on this country I am seeking a way out.

His post which says the EU and immigration are not major issues shows how the left does not want to debate these issues which many people think are the most important issues facing this country right now. On the EU, here we ago again - you are telling me that the people of this country are too stupid to decide whether or not the EU is good or bad for us. In that case then, why on earth do we bother having elections? (your logic, not mine).

I can simply say that immigration and the EU are the top priorities, you hear it everywhere - on the playgrounds, in the pubs and the voting figures show it aswell. Nobody bothers to vote anymore because they know no matter what they do, these issues will not be tackled. There is no difference between the three major parties, they are all the same. In the European Parliamentary Elections in 2009 UKIP came second, if that would of been a general election then right now we would have Conservative government and UKIP in opposition - sadly this is not possible with the FPTP voting system.

[Tash.]

His post which says the EU and immigration are not major issues shows how the left does not want to debate these issues which many people think are the most important issues facing this country right now. On the EU, here we ago again - you are telling me that the people of this country are too stupid to decide whether or not the EU is good or bad for us. In that case then, why on earth do we bother having elections? (your logic, not mine).

I can simply say that immigration and the EU are the top priorities, you hear it everywhere - on the playgrounds, in the pubs and the voting figures show it aswell. Nobody bothers to vote anymore because they know no matter what they do, these issues will not be tackled. There is no difference between the three major parties, they are all the same. In the European Parliamentary Elections in 2009 UKIP came second, if that would of been a general election then right now we would have Conservative government and UKIP in opposition - sadly this is not possible with the FPTP voting system.

I am aware of the fact that for some people the EU and immigration are a big factor, so no it isn't the failure of the left to debate those issues. I know of these issues and it is my opinion that they aren't an issue, or at least as big as some people will have you believe. And yes, that is what i'm saying. The EU is a complicated issue and being the age that I am I mingle with alot of others of a similar age, and I can tell you that alot of people are not interested in learning about it. With that in mind, how can they possibly understand it? You vote in a government who will pick people to represent these issues and whom have the correct knowledge to deal with them. So of course they can vote for who they want to deal with the issues.