OUTRAGE at this REFILTERAGE!!!

[Pyroka]

I have been told to say this by an anonymous person, however I disagree with it:

David says:
*"So I can tell a woman to get back to the kitchen but I can't say ***? What's the world coming to!"

o wat did i paste too much

Well duh of course youre allowed to say that, swearing in abbreviations is much worse than blatent sexism :eusa_danc

[Sammeth.]

I have been told to say this by an anonymous person, however I disagree with it:

David says:
*"So I can tell a woman to get back to the kitchen but I can't say ***? What's the world coming to!"

o wat did i paste too much

Is anonymous Davids other name?

I was reading one of either Garions or Olis post, saying that General management would not like us to unfilter words. I would've thought forum management made those decisions... but obviously not. Just saying what Ive seen.

Forum management do make a lot of decisions, however things do go through General Management first. Normally just for advice or for an extra opinion and just so we get kept in the loop, but other times its cus they need our permission to speak. Its not overly often but forum management are just like any other management, they still report to us.

What wasn't working about it, thats the confusing thing. so what if people use abbreviations... theyre not calling eachother ***** and stuff :S it caused no problems whatsoever as far as i could see... just seems like you filtered them back because nobody was prepared to go the whole mile to unfiltering most, if not all abbreviations... all of which were pretty much similiar to every other abbreviation lol.

What wasn't working was the confusion as to what you could say and what you couldn't and the reasons as to why some things could be unfiltered and why some things couldn't be. There was too much of a grey area. I could argue that the filter has been like this for however many years and its not been an issue as such until as of late. We've now reverted back to that and all of a sudden its a huge issue. I don't know why everyones coped so long in the past if its this much of a pressing matter. I filtered them back as its the fair thing to do, unfiltering them all is the other option which just wouldn't work mainly because of the type of users we tend to attract.

I don't see why this is such an issue, if you want to say three or four letters so badly maybe I can hold a venting session on msn where you can subtley swear and not avoid any filters to your hearts content.

[HotelUser]

Is anonymous Davids other name?

That or paedo, whichever you prefer

[Blob]

Is anonymous Davids other name?

Yes, he uses it when he does the sexist jokes.

[Sammeth.]

Theres quite a difference between avoiding the filter to swear when you shouldn't have to and telling a joke.

[HotelUser]

Theres quite a difference between avoiding the filter to swear when you shouldn't have to and telling a joke.

The irony here is that the telling of that joke is actually more offensive to most, than saying *** or ***.

[Pyroka]

Is anonymous Davids other name?

Forum management do make a lot of decisions, however things do go through General Management first. Normally just for advice or for an extra opinion and just so we get kept in the loop, but other times its cus they need our permission to speak. Its not overly often but forum management are just like any other management, they still report to us.

What wasn't working was the confusion as to what you could say and what you couldn't and the reasons as to why some things could be unfiltered and why some things couldn't be. There was too much of a grey area. I could argue that the filter has been like this for however many years and its not been an issue as such until as of late. We've now reverted back to that and all of a sudden its a huge issue. I don't know why everyones coped so long in the past if its this much of a pressing matter. I filtered them back as its the fair thing to do, unfiltering them all is the other option which just wouldn't work mainly because of the type of users we tend to attract.

I don't see why this is such an issue, if you want to say three or four letters so badly maybe I can hold a venting session on msn where you can subtley swear and not avoid any filters to your hearts content.

But the forum filter is like the least... impacting part of the forum really, its important but we're all adults right? I mean abbreviations filtered? I'm pretty sure even Habbo allows that regardless of the Bobba filter (im not 100% ). Why would forum management need general managements approval on being able to say a naughty word? I'm pretty sure they're big enough to make their own decisions to make the forum better, seeing as both AFM & FM are very experienced in moderating, they should have good judgement, if not better than general management in the way the forum & its community works.

What do you mean, "type of users we attract" btw... The type of users on the forum now are pretty mature, though there are moments of immaturity.

[Sammeth.]

The irony here is that the telling of that joke is actually more offensive to most, than saying *** or ***.

I think thats debatable and a matter of opinion.

But the forum filter is like the least... impacting part of the forum really, its important but we're all adults right? I mean abbreviations filtered? I'm pretty sure even Habbo allows that regardless of the Bobba filter (im not 100% ). Why would forum management need general managements approval on being able to say a naughty word? I'm pretty sure they're big enough to make their own decisions to make the forum better, seeing as both AFM & FM are very experienced in moderating, they should have good judgement, if not better than general management in the way the forum & its community works.

What do you mean, "type of users we attract" btw... The type of users on the forum now are pretty mature, though there are moments of immaturity.

No we're not all adults, and those of us who are still aren't to most mature of adults. I'm not saying that as a negative, but when its how the majority of users are our practices have to reflect that and go for our target (and seemingly actual) demographic. They don't need permission as such, which is why it was unfiltered in the first place after discussions (rather than seeking permission and approval) I made the decision to reverse this, which I'm well within my right to do. This isn't just some sort of power trip, I'm considering whats best and how better to approach things for the site I run.

If you feel that Forum Management have better judgment thats fine, however I would never pass comment on anyones ability to make solid and sound judgments, and I surely wouldn't put other peoples judgments before others without knowing how much of an input and experience that person has had in the past. I think if you're making that statement based off a title then its incredibly mislead.

[Pyroka]

I think thats debatable and a matter of opinion.

No we're not all adults, and those of us who are still aren't to most mature of adults. I'm not saying that as a negative, but when its how the majority of users are our practices have to reflect that and go for our target (and seemingly actual) demographic. They don't need permission as such, which is why it was unfiltered in the first place after discussions (rather than seeking permission and approval) I made the decision to reverse this, which I'm well within my right to do. This isn't just some sort of power trip, I'm considering whats best and how better to approach things for the site I run.

If you feel that Forum Management have better judgment thats fine, however I would never pass comment on anyones ability to make solid and sound judgments, and I surely wouldn't put other peoples judgments before others without knowing how much of an input and experience that person has had in the passed. I think if you're making that statement based off a title then its incredibly mislead.

Power trip never crossed my mind. I don't think FM have better judgement, but I think they're capable of making a decision without it being judged by GM, filter especially? Do you need to be contacted if they're adding new smilies too? :S

Either way, my opinion is that you should've unfiltered all the abbreviations as during the time some were unfiltered, there wasnt any problems, and unfiltering more wouldnt cause any more problems on that basis.

[Sammeth.]

Power trip never crossed my mind. I don't think FM have better judgement, but I think they're capable of making a decision without it being judged by GM, filter especially? Do you need to be contacted if they're adding new smilies too? :S

Either way, my opinion is that you should've unfiltered all the abbreviations as during the time some were unfiltered, there wasnt any problems, and unfiltering more wouldnt cause any more problems on that basis.

They are capable of making decisions of course. But as General Management we can surely exercise our right to have an opinion and give advice on decisions. We get copied into pretty much everything, not just forum stuff, but everything from all departments, mainly so we're up to date with whats going on. Its not as if everything we get asked or told about we'll shoot down, or even respond that strongly on. Most of the time its "Thanks for the update, try and get this done for such and such a date". Communication is key to running a site as big as this, if everyone was making decisions for themselves and doing whatever they wanted we would constantly be treading on each others toes.

Im of the opinion that there were problems and it was unfair to unfilter some and not all, and unfiltering all would cause further problems. I guess its just something we'll never agree on, and I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you to see it my way either cus its not going to happen lets face it.