Apple vs Google - Getting Personal.

[Markeh]

Yeah. Someone rated one of the best CEOs in the world is a ruddy fool.

I deem this poll biased because there's a lot of "Microsoft fanboys" here

A lot of people on this forum own Macs or iPods.

Explain how they can be Microsoft fanboys.

[AgnesIO]

Yeah. Someone rated one of the best CEOs in the world is a ruddy fool.

I deem this poll biased because there's a lot of "Microsoft fanboys" here

Because his company sells things at ridiculous prices, with the only decent, quite original thing they have made being the iPod Touch.

[marriott0.01]

Because his company sells things at ridiculous prices, with the only decent, quite original thing they have made being the iPod Touch.

I've always believed in you pay for quality, and that's exactly what you get from Apple. You buy something from Apple, you'll see everything simply works to perfection, and you'll honestly take back that statement.

[Jordy]

I also use Google Mail and I think that is perfection. I think their search engine is perfection, I think many Google services are perfection. Best of all, they're free and actually do change my life for the better.

What always makes me laugh is how Google is so open that despite all this, they continue to develop things for the iPhone. You can thank them for the YouTube and Maps application on it. They also make iPhone services and other applications. I'm sure if Google dropped support for all these things, people would reconsider buying iPhones?

And so what if they made the first personal computer, that doesn't give them the right to go round suing everyone and preventing technology progressing.

I also believe Microsoft is more responsible for bringing the computer home anyway, Apple's Lisa was ridiculously difficult to use and was only for the very rich. Microsoft and various hardware manufacturers allowed anyone to own a computer.

[N!ck]

I Google forever and always.

Google > Apple

[marriott0.01]

I also use Google Mail and I think that is perfection. I think their search engine is perfection, I think many Google services are perfection. Best of all, they're free and actually do change my life for the better.

What always makes me laugh is how Google is so open that despite all this, they continue to develop things for the iPhone. You can thank them for the YouTube and Maps application on it. They also make iPhone services and other applications. I'm sure if Google dropped support for all these things, people would reconsider buying iPhones?

And so what if they made the first personal computer, that doesn't give them the right to go round suing everyone and preventing technology progressing.

I also believe Microsoft is more responsible for bringing the computer home anyway, Apple's Lisa was ridiculously difficult to use and was only for the very rich. Microsoft and various hardware manufacturers allowed anyone to own a computer.

Well do you think the YouTube and Maps apps really matter when it comes to buying a phone? To be honest, I think that the phone itself matters not two lousy apps, and you can replace everything from Google with services that are sometimes better, okay you can't replace YouTube but everything else you can replace for something just as good or even better. You can replace G! Mail with the second most popular Yahoo mail or Live Mail. You can replace Google Maps with a more powerful Bing Maps. You can replace Google Search Engine with a cleverer search engine such as Bing or WolframAlpha. Google isn't the only people doing these services, and they are not the best, it's just their competitors aren't as popular as not as many people have heard about them.

And you say Apple is getting in the way of Technology Progressing, they're actually trying to help it more. Because essentially by suing people what they are doing is stopping people take the technology they have created and let the companies create their own technologies rather than using Apple's technologies for nothing. Stopping technology progressing is when people steal off each other and put it in another product, as Microsoft even said, phones nowadays are just a slightly better version of the last - so no real innovation, whereas if companies stop taking rides on other people's IP then surely companies can come up with their own IP.

In regards to your comment at the bottom, Apple's Lisa may have been difficult, but they sorted them problems out with the Apple Macintosh, which believe it or not was the easiest computer to use at the time, and it was also incredibly cheap for the time. When windows came along they had stolen a lot of things from Apple and instead of fixing the bugs, they had gotten from stealing it outright rather than creating their own software, they essentially created an OS that failed from the beginning, and it's only the most popular because it's the cheapest. The cheaper things in life aren't always the best things in life - by far.

Microsoft allowed various hardware manufactures to use their software, for a high price may I add, to get more of the software out there. To be honest this isn't a good thing, this has poisoned the Windows OS, since the Windows OS tries to run on EVERY computer that manufactures try to put it on, which sometimes don't have the right specs for it or the software can't be run on the computer... Apple builds software and hardware in synergy, so they work together beautifully without any problems. That's what I like about Apple, they ensure everything works before putting it to market and they make sure the computer is built around the software.

[AgnesIO]

I've always believed in you pay for quality, and that's exactly what you get from Apple. You buy something from Apple, you'll see everything simply works to perfection, and you'll honestly take back that statement.

Yeh because up until like January Mac's Core2Duo was perfection? :S

And I know MANY people with iPod's which have ****** up after a year or so.

My one hasn't - but both my sisters have, many of my friends have.

[marriott0.01]

Yeh because up until like January Mac's Core2Duo was perfection? :S

And I know MANY people with iPod's which have ****** up after a year or so.

My one hasn't - but both my sisters have, many of my friends have.

Things mess up under improper use. Not Apple's problem. My iPod's have always been fine, my iPhone (which isn't my main phone because I cba with it) is fine, my Mac's are fine. I see no problem with Apple products.

And which Mac's exactly, the MacBook's or the iMac's?

[N!ck]

marriott, while you have some semi-valid points you're caught up in some kind of Apple elitism.

[Jordy]

Well do you think the YouTube and Maps apps really matter when it comes to buying a phone? To be honest, I think that the phone itself matters not two lousy apps, and you can replace everything from Google with services that are sometimes better, okay you can't replace YouTube but everything else you can replace for something just as good or even better. You can replace G! Mail with the second most popular Yahoo mail or Live Mail. You can replace Google Maps with a more powerful Bing Maps. You can replace Google Search Engine with a cleverer search engine such as Bing or WolframAlpha. Google isn't the only people doing these services, and they are not the best, it's just their competitors aren't as popular as not as many people have heard about them.

And you say Apple is getting in the way of Technology Progressing, they're actually trying to help it more. Because essentially by suing people what they are doing is stopping people take the technology they have created and let the companies create their own technologies rather than using Apple's technologies for nothing. Stopping technology progressing is when people steal off each other and put it in another product, as Microsoft even said, phones nowadays are just a slightly better version of the last - so no real innovation, whereas if companies stop taking rides on other people's IP then surely companies can come up with their own IP.

In regards to your comment at the bottom, Apple's Lisa may have been difficult, but they sorted them problems out with the Apple Macintosh, which believe it or not was the easiest computer to use at the time, and it was also incredibly cheap for the time. When windows came along they had stolen a lot of things from Apple and instead of fixing the bugs, they had gotten from stealing it outright rather than creating their own software, they essentially created an OS that failed from the beginning, and it's only the most popular because it's the cheapest. The cheaper things in life aren't always the best things in life - by far.

Microsoft allowed various hardware manufactures to use their software, for a high price may I add, to get more of the software out there. To be honest this isn't a good thing, this has poisoned the Windows OS, since the Windows OS tries to run on EVERY computer that manufactures try to put it on, which sometimes don't have the right specs for it or the software can't be run on the computer... Apple builds software and hardware in synergy, so they work together beautifully without any problems. That's what I like about Apple, they ensure everything works before putting it to market and they make sure the computer is built around the software.

I would totally disagree with synergy. This is synergy for you. I have a Live account, I can access MSN on my Windows Mobile Phone (And various more), Xbox 360 and Windows PC. I can share Windows Media Centre between multiple PCs, Xbox 360s and Zune HDs. Microsoft integrate their Zune services, Hotmail services, Xbox 360 Gamertags, Microsoft Office Online, Skydrive etc all with one Live account which works with so many services and devices. That's what I call synergy.

With an iPad, it can't even share internet from a MacBook or a iPhone, their products fail to interact with each other.

Windows is cheaper yes, but I think millions of people around the world would thank you for that, it has transformed businesses and allowed the internet to expand a lot more. If we were left with solely Macs, lots of people around the world would be without access to computers. Microsoft of course do charge a high premium to manufacturers, hence why the company has become so successful, in terms of both revenue and number of people using the OS, however this is not passed onto the consumer. And I don't think the manufacturers suffer either, Michael Dell is one of the richest men in the world. Windows brought an affordable OS to the masses, provided the manufacturers with a fantastic OS to put on their systems and make them a fortune, and also made Microsoft a fortune. It's win win all round.

Referring to stealing, Microsoft may well be in the wrong for that, Apple are no better for stealing the whole GUI, the foundation of home computing.

I also don't think it's a case of people not knowing what Yahoo and Microsoft have to offer, the vast majority of Google users have used them both in the past. Most people really do think Google's products are far better and I'm sure if Google began stopping it's services being accessed on an iPhone, a surprising number of people would pack in their iPhones.

Apple are preventing technology progressing, they have patented the most basic of things such as multi-touch (This is also the fault of the patent office), without using such simple things, competition cannot progress.