God, I am sick of thesun newspaper

[-:Undertaker:-]

I think you forget she doubled Vat from 8% to 15% (that hit the working class rather hard) introduced the most hated tax of all time - the Poll Tax which had to be withdrawn by Norman Major as there were riots on the streets. I do not even think Margaret Thatcher even claimed to be a champion of the working class. She was the author of the 'Yuppie' revolution and we all know where that got the country. A country with less manufacturing and everything based on money that just crashed when the yuppies did.

The VAT was needed because taxes were sliced/cut on both families and business, thus when you bought something you paid higher VAT (although it was at similar levels during the Labour/Liberal Pact anyway so its not as though it came out of the sudden blue) because thats real wealth and it generates wealth. If you take money away from people before they spend it, its not generating any income or wealth for the country and thats why we had our brighest and cleverest leaving the shores of this country and going to the United States and the roaring Asian economies.

The Poll Tax, lets talk about that. Before it was introduced, the household owner had to pay the taxes for everybody living in that household even though everybody uses services. The Poll Tax shared the burden and made it fair so that everybody (the individual) paid their own taxes and not the household owner. The riots on the streets, you mean the militant Labour/rent-a-mob? - the ones who chanted 'scab' at those who refused to go on militant communist strikes and often ended up in those people being beaten up - nothing but vile thugs such as Derek Hatton and Aruthur Scargill who you will now of noticed, are all totally and utterly minted (the champagne socialists as they are known).

On the manufacturing part, Rosie would you like to tell me how the United Kingdom could possibly for example, mine coal for a profit when the likes of China and other nations could do it for a pittance of the price. These industries were being subsidised by the government, they were not making money.

[Catzsy]

The VAT was needed because taxes were sliced/cut on both families and business, thus when you bought something you paid higher VAT (although it was at similar levels during the Labour/Liberal Pact anyway so its not as though it came out of the sudden blue) because thats real wealth and it generates wealth. If you take money away from people before they spend it, its not generating any income or wealth for the country and thats why we had our brighest and cleverest leaving the shores of this country and going to the United States and the roaring Asian economies.

The Poll Tax, lets talk about that. Before it was introduced, the household owner had to pay the taxes for everybody living in that household even though everybody uses services. The Poll Tax shared the burden and made it fair so that everybody (the individual) paid their own taxes and not the household owner. The riots on the streets, you mean the militant Labour/rent-a-mob? - the ones who chanted 'scab' at those who refused to go on militant communist strikes and often ended up in those people being beaten up - nothing but vile thugs such as Derek Hatton and Aruthur Scargill who you will now of noticed, are all totally and utterly minted (the champagne socialists as they are known).

On the manufacturing part, Rosie would you like to tell me how the United Kingdom could possibly for example, mine coal for a profit when the likes of China and other nations could do it for a pittance of the price. These industries were being subsidised by the government, they were not making money.

I was just trying to balance up things a bit here. Whether or not VAT rise was needed it hit the working classes very hard so they were not the Government of low tax. Also it was ordinary people in their millions that opposed the poll tax not just the militants as you would have us believe. She even came to regret the decision herself - all credit to her for that.

Margaret Thatcher is going to change the tax that has brought her government so low

SHORTLY before Easter, an extraordinary event took place in Downing Street. According to senior members of the government who were present (and who shake their heads in disbelief at the memory), Mrs Margaret Thatcher agreed that the poll tax was unfair. Indeed she cited, as an example, the amount she herself would have to pay, and the saving she would make. After petitions and protests, resignations and riots, the prime minister accepted that not all the tax's opponents were whingers or anarchists. She has now insisted that a new bill, radically revamping the tax, be drawn up by july.

That government was the government of the South East , a party built on paper money, banks and financiers - nowhere else really. Anyway the Sun is an abomination - it always has been and always will be. Derek Hatton and Arthur Scargill were never known as champagne socialists they were very hard left wing socialist militants and pretty low IQs.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I was just trying to balance up things a bit here. Whether or not VAT rise was needed it hit the working classes very hard so they were not the Government of low tax. Also it was ordinary people in their millions that opposed the poll tax not just the militants as you would have us believe. She even came to regret the decision herself - all credit to her for that.

That government was the government of the South East , a party built on paper money, banks and financiers - nowhere else really. Anyway the Sun is an abomination - it always has been and always will be.

The working class had taxes sliced so they had more money to spend. In the 1970s, most people in Britain had to share home phones while the rest of Europe and the United States had had home phones in virtually every house for a number of years. We we called the 'sick man of Europe' for a reason, and that was because we had taxes at high levels which Thatcher hacked away at and allowed the economy to begin moving again (and also paying off our massive debts to the IMF which the previous Labour/Liberal government had racked up). The Poll Tax, of course many people opposed it but a fair majority causing the trouble were the likes of Derek Hatton and Aruthur Scargill who were nothing but socialist/communist thugs - however it [the tax] was fair and afterall, isnt the Labour Party supposed to be all about fairness(?), so much so that its adopted it in 2010 as a slogan.

I'm sorry but the money was not paper money, it was worth something. It had been earned, people bought the services/products and thus it was worth something now I ask you to contrast this to the Labour government now and in the past which thinks that by taxing peoples money immediately and spending it on an expensive state programme of 'spend spend spend' somehow creates economic growth - it is not growth, it is totally artifical. Margaret Thatcher turned this country from a crippled socialist, dying country to a financial capital of the world and that is why we had hundreds of businesses being registered each and every day under her government.

It is rather strange of you to criticise Thatcher but support Labour because she totally and utterly changed the Labour Party and I believe when asked of her greatest achievement, she said 'New Labour' - if you hate services so much and would like a return to the manufacturing which was poor and made a heavy loss then i'd ask why you even consider supporting Labour because they have had 13 years and have made no attempts to change the status quo, infact Peter Mandelson (present Labour Minister for Business) even said 'we are all Thatcherites now'. Finally on the point on Derek Hatton in particular and even including the ex-Labour leader Neil Kinnock, Mr Kinnock now is a Lord and wines and dines with the establishment that he so very hated and as for Mr Hatton, the man now drives a £60,000 car and has a house thats worth over £1 million - they are nothing but champagne socialists and the very same goes for Mr Blair. I think I can even add Mr Prescott to that list as well, as it appears as though he is going to accept a peerage which he for long fought against and loathed to his very bones - the left soon changes its tune when its their personal gain.

Would you like a return to manufacturing which made a heavy loss and kept the poor poor? - I shall add this short video anyway, it pretty much sums up the difference between the left and the right and the era in which are you talking about;

[votelabour]

isn't this thread slightly bias?

I also suggest stop reading it if it offends you

you obviously dont get the point of the thread.

[AgnesIO]

you obviously dont get the point of the thread.

I bet in the last election you were raping the sun in happiness over their chosen party..

[Smits]

Your only annoyed ebcause it used to be pro- labour and it recently switched.

[votelabour]

Your only annoyed ebcause it used to be pro- labour and it recently switched.

actually im not a fan of labour, conservative nor lib dems, dont read too much into the username.

[Ajthedragon]

The Mirror does the same thing with Labour, but worst, I stopped reading it in the end. Constantly "David Cameron did this...".

Tabloids are really stupid about these things. I read the Mail again now, and although its Conservative, its not nearly as bad, it ***** off all the parties.

[Catzsy]

The working class had taxes sliced so they had more money to spend. In the 1970s, most people in Britain had to share home phones while the rest of Europe and the United States had had home phones in virtually every house for a number of years. We we called the 'sick man of Europe' for a reason, and that was because we had taxes at high levels which Thatcher hacked away at and allowed the economy to begin moving again (and also paying off our massive debts to the IMF which the previous Labour/Liberal government had racked up). The Poll Tax, of course many people opposed it but a fair majority causing the trouble were the likes of Derek Hatton and Aruthur Scargill who were nothing but socialist/communist thugs - however it [the tax] was fair and afterall, isnt the Labour Party supposed to be all about fairness(?), so much so that its adopted it in 2010 as a slogan.

I'm sorry but the money was not paper money, it was worth something. It had been earned, people bought the services/products and thus it was worth something now I ask you to contrast this to the Labour government now and in the past which thinks that by taxing peoples money immediately and spending it on an expensive state programme of 'spend spend spend' somehow creates economic growth - it is not growth, it is totally artifical. Margaret Thatcher turned this country from a crippled socialist, dying country to a financial capital of the world and that is why we had hundreds of businesses being registered each and every day under her government.

It is rather strange of you to criticise Thatcher but support Labour because she totally and utterly changed the Labour Party and I believe when asked of her greatest achievement, she said 'New Labour' - if you hate services so much and would like a return to the manufacturing which was poor and made a heavy loss then i'd ask why you even consider supporting Labour because they have had 13 years and have made no attempts to change the status quo, infact Peter Mandelson (present Labour Minister for Business) even said 'we are all Thatcherites now'. Finally on the point on Derek Hatton in particular and even including the ex-Labour leader Neil Kinnock, Mr Kinnock now is a Lord and wines and dines with the establishment that he so very hated and as for Mr Hatton, the man now drives a £60,000 car and has a house thats worth over £1 million - they are nothing but champagne socialists and the very same goes for Mr Blair. I think I can even add Mr Prescott to that list as well, as it appears as though he is going to accept a peerage which he for long fought against and loathed to his very bones - the left soon changes its tune when its their personal gain.

Would you like a return to manufacturing which made a heavy loss and kept the poor poor? - I shall add this short video anyway, it pretty much sums up the difference between the left and the right and the era in which are you talking about;

Derek Hatton is a convicted criminal - what he has now is due to crime. You said he and Scargill were champagne socialists. Apart from that there is nothing wrong with Champagne Socialists as you call them. Do you think all socialists should wear cloth caps and keep ferrets? Neil Kinnock started the road to progress to New Labour with this speech:

I'll tell you what happens with impossible promises. You start with far-fetched resolutions. They are then pickled into a rigid dogma, a code, and you go through the years sticking to that, outdated, misplaced, irrelevant to the real needs, and you end in the grotesque chaos of a Labour council -- a Labour council -- hiring taxis to scuttle round a city handing out redundancy notices to its own workers . . .

I am telling you, no matter how entertaining, how fulfilling to short-term egos -- you can't play politics with people's jobs and with people's services or with their homes.

You may me laugh when I say manufacturing industry you always think I mean 'coal' just because I now live in Wales. During the thatcher years the only people that prospered were financiers and bankers. The popular view of the 80s is the decade of greed, its symbol being the City trader driving a Porsche and doing business on a brick sized mobile. The 80s was also time of rising prosperity and rising house prices . However, that prosperity was not shared by all and the 80s was also a decade of deep social divisions and the North-South divide. Britain suffered a severe recession in the early 80s. Many businesses failed and unemployment reached record levels. Mrs Thatcher's strict monetarist doctrines initially made the problems worse and violent riots broke out in Toxteth in Liverpool, Brixton in London and Moss Side in Manchester. It seemed that the country was falling apart. The Specials record 'Ghost Town' (1981), about the economic ills facing Coventry, summed up the mood of the nation. Not exactly as described by you and it was all downhill from there.

[ItsDave]

I use to enjoy reading the sun newspaper for its ridiculous storys, and its funny dear dierdre write-ins, but now its pissing me off to how much it is ANTI-any other government party other then the conservatives, its absolutely ridiculous, just because its the most read newspaper (because its cheap and easy to read) people are swayed by this to who to vote, and its getting on my nerves. And if you hadn't noticed, since the lib dems have become popular, their trying there best to ruin there chances ever now to make a difference, obviously they've done it already to labour. ARGH :@

Agreed. But it's just like any other media form, everyone has its favourites, the Sun's is Conservatives, unfortunatley The Sun is the nations favourite so we're going to have a young robot leading us. Yay ¬¬