You know this massacre thing...?

[-:Undertaker:-]

I think we should all be allowed to keep guns generally (following the American style system in the states where it is allowed). If somebody whos a total nutcase/a criminal wants a gun - they will get a gun. With gun bans/making them hard to get for the law-abiding people, then you only make sure that the only people left with guns are the bad guys leaving the good guys defenceless. In this country its the criminals > law abiding majority in terms of rights.

[MrPinkPanther]

I think we should all be allowed to keep guns generally (following the American style system in the states where it is allowed). If somebody whos a total nutcase/a criminal wants a gun - they will get a gun. With gun bans/making them hard to get for the law-abiding people, then you only make sure that the only people left with guns are the bad guys leaving the good guys defenceless. In this country its the criminals > law abiding majority in terms of rights.

Whilst this is true for orchestrated crimes, most violent crimes are committed in a fit of passion. Therefore if people do have access to a gun in their household it becomes extremely dangerous, sure they will have knives or perhaps a baseball bat but it is much easier to escape someone with a knife or a bat than a gun. This is exactly why the number of shootings are much higher in America.

The number of firearms legally owned does correlate to the number of firearm related deaths, hold on I'll get some statistics:

[Tintinnabulate]

I think we should all be allowed to keep guns generally (following the American style system in the states where it is allowed). If somebody whos a total nutcase/a criminal wants a gun - they will get a gun. With gun bans/making them hard to get for the law-abiding people, then you only make sure that the only people left with guns are the bad guys leaving the good guys defenceless. In this country its the criminals > law abiding majority in terms of rights.

Are you crazy? If you give everyone a gun, it would lead to more gun crime. If someone gets in an argument after getting drunk or something, they might end up shooting the person. Do you really want this country to be like America? - more deaths etc.

Less people who own guns = less chances of people getting shot.

Its a minority who commit crimes such as yesterday's. He has owned a gun legally for 12+ years and unfortunately something terrible made him flip. However, others shouldn't be punished for it. UK has one of the strictest laws when it comes to trying to get a gun. You need to show them where it will be stored, why you need it, references from doctors etc, they check your criminal record and it expires every 5 years.

I would say Farmers use it more in a bad way. When I was going Duke of Edinburgh, this farmer was crazily walking around with a gun and shouting at us to not go through his farm even though its a public footpath. It meant we had to take a different route because of a crazy farmer.

[Swastika]

Are you crazy? If you give everyone a gun, it would lead to more gun crime. If someone gets in an argument after getting drunk or something, they might end up shooting the person. Do you really want this country to be like America? - more deaths etc.

Less people who own guns = less chances of people getting shot.

Its a minority who commit crimes such as yesterday's. He has owned a gun legally for 12+ years and unfortunately something terrible made him flip. However, others shouldn't be punished for it. UK has one of the strictest laws when it comes to trying to get a gun. You need to show them where it will be stored, why you need it, references from doctors etc, they check your criminal record and it expires every 5 years.

I would say Farmers use it more in a bad way. When I was going Duke of Edinburgh, this farmer was crazily walking around with a gun and shouting at us to not go through his farm even though its a public footpath. It meant we had to take a different route because of a crazy farmer.

LOL yeah, farmers openly threaten people with their shotguns and stuff.
I remember when me and some mates were on the footpath out his back (public btw) and it was night and because we're teenagers with our hoods and what not, he shouted out his windows and aimed his rifle out lol. Needless to say we ran like holy hell.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Whilst this is true for orchestrated crimes, most violent crimes are committed in a fit of passion. Therefore if people do have access to a gun in their household it becomes extremely dangerous, sure they will have knives or perhaps a baseball bat but it is much easier to escape someone with a knife or a bat than a gun. This is exactly why the number of shootings are much higher in America.

The number of firearms legally owned does correlate to the number of firearm related deaths, hold on I'll get some statistics:

I would agree but surely that also means why should ban other dangerous objects also in the name of safety(?). The law-abiding people should be allowed to have guns on their property provided they are kept safe and secure (not carried on the streets) or at least we should allow some form of self-defence where if you step onto another persons property intent on causing them harm, you loose your innocence/right to safety.

Are you crazy? If you give everyone a gun, it would lead to more gun crime. If someone gets in an argument after getting drunk or something, they might end up shooting the person. Do you really want this country to be like America? - more deaths etc.

Less people who own guns = less chances of people getting shot.

Then lets also ban stanley knives, glass bottles/cups, knives in general, baseball bats axes, chainsaws etc just incase somebody gets angry whilst their chopping their logs/having a drink. I would agree with the statement that the less guns there are, the less people get shot and why? - because the criminals have the monopoly on the weapons. The law-abiding people are defenceless against the ones with weapons. The ones in the wrong will always get hold of weapons no matter how many restrictions you put on gun controls, so lets have the normally defenceless armed against the bad guys out there.

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it's a hunting licence but i guess he took it one step to far haa

[DAMI3N]

Shooting/Hunting is a sport, he lived in the countryside so it's not too surprising he had a gun licence, they're quite strict about how you keep the gun etc though, they don't just hand them out. Plus this guy was pretty normal beforehand, there was no reason to suspect he would cause some sort of massacre.
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This pretty much sums it

[Tintinnabulate]

I would agree but surely that also means why should ban other dangerous objects also in the name of safety(?). The law-abiding people should be allowed to have guns on their property provided they are kept safe and secure (not carried on the streets) or at least we should allow some form of self-defence where if you step onto another persons property intent on causing them harm, you loose your innocence/right to safety.



Then lets also ban stanley knives, glass bottles/cups, knives in general, baseball bats axes, chainsaws etc just incase somebody gets angry whilst their chopping their logs/having a drink. I would agree with the statement that the less guns there are, the less people get shot and why? - because the criminals have the monopoly on the weapons. The law-abiding people are defenceless against the ones with weapons. The ones in the wrong will always get hold of weapons no matter how many restrictions you put on gun controls, so lets have the normally defenceless armed against the bad guys out there.

Defenceless? Oh yeah lets all carry guns in our pockets incase we get attacked. :rolleyes:
Someone could easily shoot you and your gun will be useless.

More guns = more chances of people getting shot. Its obvious and look at America which is a good example of this.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Defenceless? Oh yeah lets all carry guns in our pockets incase we get attacked. :rolleyes:
Someone could easily shoot you and your gun will be useless.

More guns = more chances of people getting shot. Its obvious and look at America which is a good example of this.

Well thats why I did say it would only be allowed on your property, not to be carried around. Although i'm discussing it with Jordy and I do think this is a last option, the real way to get crime down and protect the law abiding is to over double the prison capacity and make sentences longer + i'd personally want the death penalty introduced but thats another bag of chips.

[Tintinnabulate]

Well thats why I did say it would only be allowed on your property, not to be carried around. Although i'm discussing it with Jordy and I do think this is a last option, the real way to get crime down and protect the law abiding is to over double the prison capacity and make sentences longer + i'd personally want the death penalty introduced but thats another bag of chips.

So what if someone like the person yesterday decided to take their gun off the property and go around shooting people on the street, the gun the victim owns will be quite useless sitting in their property...

And people can be wrongly sentenced of murder - its happened before - and its simply not worth it. There have been reports that life sentence in jail can make the prisoner go crazy and a lot of them try and commit suicide.