Turkey must join EU, says Cameron

[-:Undertaker:-]

No point giving a real reply to a statement that isn't real.

What you disagree that China, India and Turkeys people are poor but they have expensive and modern armed forces?

[Technologic]

What you disagree that China, India and Turkeys people are poor but they have expensive and modern armed forces?

More the general stereotypes you label to every other country that isn't the UK....

[-:Undertaker:-]

More the general stereotypes you label to every other country that isn't the UK....

Come out with some then, prove me wrong with proof for once.

Here is some of my proof using a past example;

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle1082030.ece

The British Government predicted only 5,000 to 13,000 Eastern Europeans would come, but 175,000 came in the first year alone.

[Technologic]

Come out with some then, prove me wrong with proof for once.

Here is some of my proof using a past example;

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle1082030.ece

Well i don't know about you but imo if the British didn't moan so much and laze about they wouldn't be replaced by immigrants who will work long hours, do their job well and appreciate their pay.....

[Frodo13.]

No real reply then? I have to say, at least Farage does a good job representing the British people which is more than can be said for most other politicians. But hey it doesnt matter, you'll just be one of the many taxpayers taken for mugs who'll end up paying for it all.

Your so right! He is representing Brits so well, and has so much in common with the majority of British people. Just look at how many votes they got in the General Election...oh wait :rolleyes:

[-:Undertaker:-]

Well i don't know about you but imo if the British didn't moan so much and laze about they wouldn't be replaced by immigrants who will work long hours, do their job well and appreciate their pay.....

I'm all for immigration, but not mass, uncontrolled immigration. If Turkey joins it means giving access to 80 million people to this country - and in the past the government has got it totally and utterly wrong as proven by the last example. The Eastern European question is also more apparent when you look at GDP (nominal) per capita; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...%29_per_capita - Turkey is lower than the likes of the Czech Republic and other Eastern European states, meaning that the chances of higher immigration than the flood we had with Eastern Europe are very real.

In future do not try and make me out that I have sterotypes that somehow every other country than the UK is poor/its people live in mud huts - i'm simply stating the facts that many Turkish people are poor and that when you open the door to poorer people, they will come to better themselves.

Your so right! He is representing Brits so well, and has so much in common with the majority of British people. Just look at how many votes they got in the General Election...oh wait :rolleyes:

Most people want to leave the European Union - Farage represents this.
Most people want control over immigration - Farage represents this.

The same with many issues, you yourself are not stupid having no doubt studied the voting system and understand the voting lock that FPTP presents - but I am glad that in a fair and national PR election last year, UKIP beat the Labour Party and the Liberal Democrats.

[Frodo13.]

Most people want to leave the European Union - Farage represents this.
Most people want control over immigration - Farage represents this.

The same with many issues, you yourself are not stupid having no doubt studied the voting system and understand the voting lock that FPTP presents - but I am glad that in a fair and free PR election last year, we beat the Labour Party.

Firstly, I'd love to see a piece of proof that points to most people wanted to leave the EU, provide this to me, and I will admit defeat on that.

Secondly, all the parties want to control immigration, and you suggesting that none of the major parties want to control it is a downright lie. I'll admit that pretty much all immigration control methods have failed and/or not had the desierd effect. If the immigration policies of UKIP or BNP were so amazing, then we would surely be voting these parties in, we all get their leaflets through our doors, and we all see them on TV. The truth is, the majority of people DON'T agree with UKIP or BNP. No denying it.

Also, of course I know the problems presented of FPTP and if there is a referendum on AV, I will be voting YES. The fact UKIP beat Labour in the 2009 European Elections was nothing more than a protest vote.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Firstly, I'd love to see a piece of proof that points to most people wanted to leave the EU, provide this to me, and I will admit defeat on that.

Well on this website; http://www.democracymovementsurrey.c...pollwatch.html is a list of polls taken from a number of polling agencies, infact when i've even read the Guardian from time to time - even that paper is often critical of the European Union. To add more proof to this, do you not wonder why we are never given referendums/the truth on the European Union?

Blair and Brown both promised referendums, both went back on them time and time again. The simple reason why they went back on their promises is because they know what the outcome would be; no.

Secondly, all the parties want to control immigration, and you suggesting that none of the major parties want to control it is a downright lie. I'll admit that pretty much all immigration control methods have failed and/or not had the desierd effect. If the immigration policies of UKIP or BNP were so amazing, then we would surely be voting these parties in, we all get their leaflets through our doors, and we all see them on TV. The truth is, the majority of people DON'T agree with UKIP or BNP. No denying it.

Well yes I am saying that. Whilst members of the European Union we cannot control EU immigration, and the fact we have just under one million illegal immigration in this country (coupled with Labours 13,000 prediction) is living proof of what a complete show it all is - and people such as yourself swallow it time and time again. I mean just before the election we had your own leader Gordon Brown saying how we needed to get tough on immigration and now we have Ed Balls saying the same - despite the fact your party had 13 years to sort it out.

I know the system UKIP wants it popular, a system based on the Austrialian system. The BNP system is differing, from what I know they want a total lockdown of immigration - so again do not try and use the racist slur against UKIP. I mean the fact immigration was such an issue and remains one, does that not show you people want control as opposed to no control?

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1067

Also, of course I know the problems presented of FPTP and if there is a referendum on AV, I will be voting YES. The fact UKIP beat Labour in the 2009 European Elections was nothing more than a protest vote.

Really? how come every time UKIP do well it is a protest vote? In 2004 UKIP beat the Liberal Democrats and came only around one million votes off beating Labour. In 2009 UKIP beat both the Liberal Democrats for the second time and Labour. Why is it that every time UKIP beat Labour/the Liberal Democrats, its a fluke? fact is, its not.

[Caution]

People are still waiting on the referendum he promised.. :L

[alexxxxx]

turkey should join when it's ready. which it clearly isn't. poor GDP, poor human rights, corruption and poor public services. just like romania and bulgaria - they joined way too early and are a drain. The EU should help it out, encourage cross border co-ordination and trade, etc but should not be considered for a while yet.