Should the UK be disbanded? [ENDS 26/09/2010]

[Phil]

Some people are suggesting that they disband from Europe and stay as the UK just not a part of the EU. This cannot be done! For example, because UK is a part of the EU they are allowed to use the Irish Sea for dumping their nuclear waste and the Atlantic Ocean for fishing. There are many more reasons they cannot disband from the EU.

Some people are also saying that the UK should disband and use Euro. The Euro is not doing very well at all at the moment but the UK might be able to help that but to be honest not that much. Also, UK are very proud of their currency and I can't see them giving it up for a currency that is economically failing. It would be nice to see the UK disband but it doesn't make much of a difference, not to me anyway! I think it would quite odd if it were to happen to be quite honest.

[Pyroka]

May I ask why everyone is talking about bloody Europe?

We're talking about the United Kingdom, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland & England separating. NOT THEM ALL SEPARATING FROM EUROPE.

YOU DIP****S.

[GommeInc]

It would make many people happy, but that doesn't mean it'll work. Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland are too small to support themselves. England has the economy, industry, growth and population to support itself, but Scotland hasn't got the land to grow into, the economy to sustain itself and alot of the population travels across the border for work and many of those who stay are traditionalists which will only really serve tourism. It would work if money and trade was no object, like in the past, but it can't as these are fundamental principles for a country to sustain itself in the modern day world. Same applies for Wales and Northern Ireland may merge in with Ireland, which would cause a bit of upset

May I ask why everyone is talking about bloody Europe?

We're talking about the United Kingdom, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland & England separating. NOT THEM ALL SEPARATING FROM EUROPE.

YOU DIP****S.

Don't get angry dear *hugs*

[Bun]

for god's sake dan stop bringing europe into everything! we know you're passionate about it and that's fine - you're entitled to your views, but it seems like you're constantly trying to win people over by bringing our membership of the EU into every debate possible.

and onto this debate, well i think it's very hard to draw the line at how independent each country should be. in my personal opinion i think the current devolved system is probably the best way to go about it, with the scottish parliament and the london & welsh & n.ireland assemblies, but the UK parliament still holding sovereignty. it can be quite frustrating to put up with all the 'scottish independence' crap when let's be honest, they wouldn't last 5 minutes by themselves? i'm not jumping on my english high horse here but as someone rightly said, the tax is distributed unfairly and their oil is ticking away. but then there's the question on how far they should take it, there was a local referendum whether to have a north eastern assembly (lol i know...) and it was voted down. however i do sometimes feel for scotland, wales and northern ireland because when people think of the UK they immediately start thinking england.

[-:Undertaker:-]

for god's sake dan stop bringing europe into everything! we know you're passionate about it and that's fine - you're entitled to your views, but it seems like you're constantly trying to win people over by bringing our membership of the EU into every debate possible.

and onto this debate, well i think it's very hard to draw the line at how independent each country should be. in my personal opinion i think the current devolved system is probably the best way to go about it, with the scottish parliament and the london & welsh & n.ireland assemblies, but the UK parliament still holding sovereignty. it can be quite frustrating to put up with all the 'scottish independence' crap when let's be honest, they wouldn't last 5 minutes by themselves? i'm not jumping on my english high horse here but as someone rightly said, the tax is distributed unfairly and their oil is ticking away. but then there's the question on how far they should take it, there was a local referendum whether to have a north eastern assembly (lol i know...) and it was voted down. however i do sometimes feel for scotland, wales and northern ireland because when people think of the UK they immediately start thinking england.

Oh good lord, yet another one who blames me for bringing Europe into the thread when if you look back you can see it was Milestone not -:Undertaker:- who brought it up. Is that clear enough now for yourself and anyone else or do I need to link to the post which brought up the EU (and it was not my post) to clarify it?

In terms of the United Kingdom itself, the examples of the European Union, Belgium, the United Kingdom, Yugoslavia and the USSR are all related because they are not natural countries - hence why we are talking now of the UK possibly breaking up, you would never have that debate with the likes of England, Scotland or Wales because they are historic countries with a strong identity.

It would make many people happy, but that doesn't mean it'll work. Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland are too small to support themselves. England has the economy, industry, growth and population to support itself, but Scotland hasn't got the land to grow into, the economy to sustain itself and alot of the population travels across the border for work and many of those who stay are traditionalists which will only really serve tourism. It would work if money and trade was no object, like in the past, but it can't as these are fundamental principles for a country to sustain itself in the modern day world. Same applies for Wales and Northern Ireland may merge in with Ireland, which would cause a bit of upset

Small nations can support themselves but at first it would be incredibly hard to work it out - the public sector in those nations (Scotland and Wales) would virtually have to be abolished and they would have to have incredibly low tax rates to encourage business and investment to their shores - Singapore (pop. 5 million) and Switzerland (pop. 7 million) are just two examples of how very small nations with hardly any natural resources can make it to the top to become hubs of investment. I guess you could also include Hong Kong under its British colony status as another example of amazing success (with a pop. of around 7 million).

[Bun]

Oh good lord, yet another one who blames me for bringing Europe into the thread when if you look back you can see it was Milestone not -:Undertaker:- who brought it up.

You're right, and for that I apologise, sorry. You're not right about it though .