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[Martin]

It's still the same problem?

You can't just pick people off the street to be Super Moderators, I guess it's a job that requires experience and most importantly trust due to the nature of the job.

Both the recent promotions of Super Moderators were very recent, and due to the nature of the job and the importance of having active super moderators on the forum I guess James made the decision based on that.

It may seem the same problem, but things like this are never easy, and when there's simply nobody left to promote, and you're short on super moderators then I guess that's when others are allowed back.

It has been the case for a long time where people return to positions, and sometimes return into promotions, but this is sometimes something which can't be avoided and so long as it's for the good of the department I don't personally see a problem with it.

[Inseriousity.]

Was it only a few days ago that I opened a thread pointing out that decisions were being rushed, and that threads were being closed when staff and decisions are put under question. I was very quickly told this was not true by several members of staff, so why is it that THIS thread has been closed? Regardless of whether the choice would have been changed there was no real basis to close that thread and is essential to prevent similar situations occurring again.

Admittedly it was not Jamesy's decision but THIS is a massive piss-take and I'm sure at some point he would have known the decision before it was announced and raised concerns. In fact EVERY member of Habbox Staff should have been alert not to make stupid decisions.

And despite the prior statement, he surely could have made some kind of argument against this:
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=669839

Care to explain?

I'm not sure if you're referencing Jamesy or the person you're quoting (Nixt?) when you say 'he... would have known'. If Jamesy, he wouldn't have known because managers aren't told these things. In fact, no member of staff is told these things, it's a decision made purely by the manager (if there is one) and the general management team. So I don't think they'd be able to say anything against any stupid decisions as they wouldn't know anything. If Nixt, he's no longer here but he might have known before he left I suppose.

You say decisions are rushed but how long do you actually expect them to do choosing staff? Some decisions take five minutes as a person really stands out and some decisions take longer as there are a couple of people worthy of the job. I sincerely hope length of time in a job never becomes a criteria for a promotion. It's what you do in your job, not how long you do it imo.

As I've said before in the other thread, I'm not really a fan of closing threads either. It just seems a 'get out clause' that general management use to add their opinion then not have to reply to the backlash/questions/comments that would result from said opinion. However, after losing a previous HxHD assistant manager because of a feedback thread, I suppose I can see why they may have rushed to close it rather than letting it continue.

[Chippiewill]

I'm going to guess you have also aimed this part for both Martin and Jordesh, yes? Well ok.

Not specifically but recently in general.

In regards of Jordesh the decision was not rushed. It has been in the General Management & HxHD Management minds for a new Assistant when Shar decided to resign, once we looked at all of the possible candidates we came to a decision on who should get the role. The final decision was that Jordesh should get the shot of being part of the management team and with his good work and dedication in his previous roles we believe it was the correct decision to do and he should do a very good job of it. I have already started other people in that department are also dedicated and do a fantastic job but you cannot give the job to everyone, if they stay and decide to show that dedication even more then they will have a shot at management or even any other role that may be suitable for them.

I would hope that you'd assign the position as temporary, if at the end you find no one else then fine. 25-09-2010 is not that far back in my opinion.

Now onto Martin,

Yes Martin resigned as Forum Management and today decided he wanted to stay with the department and be a Super Moderator again. I know it might not look ideal in terms of the members eyes but Martin is a very dedicated staff member at Habbox and is a true credit for what he does in the News Department as a News Manager and also is time within the Forum Department. The Super Moderator role is not done by applications and is normally done within the department from Forum Moderator > Super Moderator, if a previous member of the team such as Martin decided he would like to come back and at times we do allow them to return to their previous role. Although, that does depend how the department is managing at the moment and if we are able to fit them in. Martin does a good job at what he does and will continue to be a very good Super Moderator.

It is still not fair on other people regardless of who good of a job they will do, just like in many other situations recently.

It's what you do in your job, not how long you do it imo.

Granted, as long as they have shown they can support the work load over a prolonged amount of time, which, I would like to point out does not apply in many cases.

I'm not sure if you're referencing Jamesy or the person you're quoting (Nixt?) when you say 'he... would have known'. If Jamesy, he wouldn't have known because managers aren't told these things. In fact, no member of staff is told these things, it's a decision made purely by the manager (if there is one) and the general management team. So I don't think they'd be able to say anything against any stupid decisions as they wouldn't know anything. If Nixt, he's no longer here but he might have known before he left I suppose.

Generally it's a nice idea to keep people in the loop, there's no reason not to, there may have been valid points such as this situation.

Someone, somewhere, at some point CLEARLY not thinking about what people will do when removed from a position of power without the power being removed:
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthrea...9783&p=6768885

"Absolute power, corrupts absolutely" by the way.

[xxMATTGxx]

I would hope that you'd assign the position as temporary, if at the end you find no one else then fine. 25-09-2010 is not that far back in my opinion.

For Jordesh? There was no need to hire him as temporary.

I'm not being funny but in regards of the Moderation Staff how can you say it is unfair? There is four moderators out of six that are still on their trial. They need to pass that trial before they can be moved up to a Super Moderator at least. There is two who could of been promoted but the reasons behind that are not something that will be posted about in the public eye.

It is still not fair on other people regardless of who good of a job they will do, just like in many other situations recently.

Not everything is fair in life I'm afraid. People who have been in departments longer than others may have an affect if they should be promoted or not but other aspects do come into play such as dedication and other things. I'm not saying all staff are perfect (no department is) in HxHD but I'm not going to say they are all crap because that would be wrong of me to say so and would also be incorrect information. There was a few people who could of been promoted to Assistant HxHD Manager and we chose Jordesh for our reasons, the other people will get their chance if someone decides to resign.

[Chippiewill]

There is two who could of been promoted but the reasons behind that are not something that will be posted about in the public eye.

Care to explain?

Not everything is fair in life I'm afraid. People who have been in departments longer than other may have an affect if they should be promoted or not but other aspects do come into play such as dedication and other things. I'm not saying all staff are perfect in HxHD but I'm not going to say they are all crap because that would be wrong of me to say so and would also be incorrect information. There was a few people who could of been promoted to Assistant HxHD Manager and we chose Jordesh for our reasons, the other people will get their change if someone decides to resign.

So instead of more experienced staff you choose someone who has been around for barely a month and decide that they can handle heavy workload because they've been SS for a whole 15 days?

[xxMATTGxx]

Care to explain?

I'm not willing to explain any department information with you or other members who do not need to know. Promotions are not decided by you or any other member and are decided by General Management with the input of department managers. That is our information and will stay our information.

So instead of more experienced staff you choose someone who has been around for barely a month and decide that they can handle heavy workload because they've done it for a whole 15 days?

Do you even know who the guy is? The decision won't be changing and you just need to give him a chance, if you are not willing to give him a chance then that is your problem.

[Chippiewill]

I'm not willing to explain any department information with you or other members who do not need to know. Promotions are not decided by you or any other member and are decided by General Management with the input of department managers. That is our information and will stay our information.

That is the stubborn attitude that I'd management was past. You NEED to realise that the decision will ALWAYS be under judgement by users and that users will leave over the particularly bad ones.

Do you even know who the guy is? The decision won't be changing and you just need to give him a chance, if you are not willing to give him a chance then that is your problem.

I don't want you to change the decision, THAT would be unfair, I want you to acknowledge that YOU made the wrong decision.

[Mr-Trainor]

I really don't think you can say Matt has a 'stubborn attitude'. He has clearly stated that it is private information which belongs to the GM forums and through my experience on other fansites, that is not stubborn and is what should be done .

[xxMATTGxx]

That is the stubborn attitude that I'd management was past. You NEED to realise that the decision will ALWAYS be under judgement by users and that users will leave over the particularly bad ones.




I don't want you to change the decision, THAT would be unfair, I want you to acknowledge that YOU made the wrong decision.

Excuse me? So you want me to start posting information about all staff members and say this person is crap because of this and this person is fantastic because of this. I hope that isn't serious because how do you think that would make them feel if we started posting that sort of information out to everyone. It is not right and it isn't going to happen.

I don't want you to change the decision, THAT would be unfair, I want you to acknowledge that YOU made the wrong decision.

Erm, I've never believed it was the wrong decision. Jordesh is a dedicated member of staff and I'm sure he will do very well at his new role as Assistant HxHD Management. All I said was that, yes other people could of got the job but there could of been slight reasons why they didn't. Oh and I'm not posting them details either!

[Chippiewill]

I really don't think you can say Matt has a 'stubborn attitude'. He has clearly stated that it is private information which belongs to the GM forums and through my experience on other fansites, that is not stubborn and is what should be done .

I was not responding to that point?