Tebbit accuses Cameron of 'Vichy-style' surrender as Cameron flops on EU budget rise

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The HxF racists have captured you.

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In all fairness, he did try and he realises he just can't say no without consequence. Labour would have just gave in tbh and you have to give him credit for his efforts, he didn't just roll over instantly.

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Lord Tebbit doesn't accuse that of Cameron, he said he risked it which is different. As for the referendum, he hasn't spoke out saying there won't be one yet, jumping to conclusions already.

Seems like Cameron is leading the way in Europe when it comes to stopping to the 6% rise;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11641023

Lord Tebbit did say that, and if he did say 'risked it' then he's earned that title - seeing as spineless Cameron has now given in after saying he did not want an EU budget rise; http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/author/normantebbit/

That'd just be incredibly foolish.

Foolish to upset the EU/not go along with it? you mean like Norway and Switzerland who are also on the continent, have far smaller economies and have better growth who refuse to kowtow to the EU - mentioning Switzerland, its also interesting to note that now with even more EU regulations sliding towards the City of London, many of our businesses and firms are now moving from London to Switzerland and other places with low taxes rates and little regulation.

Yeah very much so, whilst i'd prefer a cut or a freeze, it really isn't possible to go below the 2.9% he managed to achieve so kudos to Cameron for doing the best he could of done there.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11651851

The EU does more good than bad. Don't let HxF fool you.

In all fairness, he did try and he realises he just can't say no without consequence. Labour would have just gave in tbh and you have to give him credit for his efforts, he didn't just roll over instantly.

Tbh he did a pretty good job of getting them to at least halve the budget rise and convince other countries to agree with him....

It is a common tactic of the European Union to ask for more than it knows it will get, and then to settle for 'less'. Cameron hasn't won anything, he's gone and lost hundreds of millions for absolutely nothing in return. For more on this tactic (which the French use quite often but in reversal) see; The GReat Deception by Christopher Booker.

Yet the Tory spin doctors paint it as a victory and you all fall over yourselves to congratulate David Cameron for giving your money away.

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Lord Tebbit did say that, and if he did say 'risked it' then he's earned that title - seeing as spineless Cameron has now given in after saying he did not want an EU budget rise; http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/author/normantebbit/



You mean like Norway and Switzerland who are also in Europe, have far smaller economies and have better growth - mentioning Switzerland, its also interesting to note that now with even more EU regulations sliding towards the City of London, many are now moving from London to Switzerland.









You are all sucked in very easily aren't you? it is a common tactic of the European Union to ask for more, and then to settle for less. Cameron hasn't won anything, he's gone and lost hundreds of millions for absolutely nothing in return. For more on this tactic (which the French use quite often but in reversal) see; The GReat Deception by Christopher Booker.

Well you obviously have a better knowledge of politics than the entire government and EU government so please, tell us what he should've done in a situation where very few countries would agree to a 0% rise.

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Well you obviously have a better knowledge of politics than the entire government and EU government so please, tell us what he should've done in a situation where very few countries would agree to a 0% rise.

You simply refuse to sign the budget off, or you withhold the payments - what are they going to do? throw us out? they would not dare because they depend so much on our money. The French often just ignore EU fines - it's time Britain stood up for herself.

Although better than that, i'd just leave altogether which is what the majority of the British people want anyway.

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You simply refuse to sign the budget off, or you withhold the payments - what are they going to do? throw us out? they would not dare because they depend so much on our money. The French often just ignore EU fines - it's time Britain stood up for herself.

Although better than that, i'd just leave altogether which is what the majority of the British people want anyway.

Yes, a majority of British people want reduced trade, reduced security, reduced financial security, higher airfares, less people to do the **** jobs, increased waits at airports, lose the ability to study wherever they want in the EU.... i can go on

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Yes, a majority of British people want reduced trade, reduced security, reduced financial security, higher airfares, less people to do the **** jobs, increased waits at airports, lose the ability to study wherever they want in the EU.... i can go on

Reduced trade? - trade wouldn't stop by us leaving the EU and i'd ask you to back that claim up - I can (Switzerland, Norway).

Reduced security? - what does the EU do to make us secure? open borders? have you not heard of the Romanian gangs operating here?

Reduced financial security? - that doesn't even mean anything.

Higher airfares? - wrong actually, EU regulations cost airlines megabucks in costs, thats not to mention the added hidden costs.

Less people to do jobs? - never heard of visas? they are what the rest of the world use.

Increased waits at airports? - you do the exact same as everybody else at airports (showing your passport etc).

Lose the ability to study in the EU? - wrong actually, just because it has an EU sticker on it doesn't mean it can't be done without the EU (research propaganda).

Anything else? you've missed the most naive one that often comes up which is that somehow the EU stops Europe blowing itself up.