Cameron lectures China on democracy

[Jordy]

I meant average wealth, I can't remember the name of it, I don't do geography. But essentially, the questions still asks, where would you rather live: China or Britain?

GDP Per capita is what you're looking for, divides the GDP by the population

In which case we come 22nd and they come 99th...

[Conservative,]

GDP Per capita is what you're looking for, divides the GDP by the population

In which case we come 22nd and they come 99th...

That's what I meant haha ! And yeah that was my point

[Fez]

They are pretty much a superpower in their own right now.

[Conservative,]

They are pretty much a superpower in their own right now.

Too much poverty for that, but other than that yes they are. If they improve their human rights & poverty issues they will most definitely be a super power.

[Chippiewill]

China is a terrible place, it's a shame the residents don't actually realise. Seriously, could you imagine a world without youtube? Go visit china. Could you imagine a world without facebook? Go visit china. Could you imagine a world without the freedom to stand up to the government? Go visit china.

- China has a popualtion of 1bn+ yet has less CCTV than Britain which has a population of 60m+

To be honest, I like knowing that my death could be caught on CCTV.

[Frodo13.]

For me, it stinks of hypocracy that Undertaker can defend China, yet for any other country that would addapt socialist or communist regimes he slates them (with the help of his precious Daily Mail of course).

[-:Undertaker:-]

We get a vote, we can say anything we like, we don't have people dying of poverty or being locked up for opposing the government. I can honestly say I've never read a post which angers me so much. You don't seem to appreciate how lucky you are to be brought up in Britain with all the wealth and freedom. Yes this country isn't perfect but it's absolute ******** to suggest Britain is in a mess and China isn't. There is a few issues with this country but they are pretty minor compared to the rest of the worlds, particularly Chinas.

At the end of the day, which would you have rather been born, Chinese or British? Where would you rather live, China or Britain? Yeah thought so.

That applies to anyone else who fancies talking so much nonsense as well.

You've just dismissed everything I said and gone on about poverty and starvation which has little to do with it, Germany was arguabley better under Adolf Hitler but it doesn't mean he was such a great thing.

You also say we can vote, yeah we can - but the person we vote in takes orders from people who we don't. A bit like China if i'm not mistaken, China has local/regional elections to my knowledge where they pick a manager-type figure who ultimately has to take orders from the supreme CCP or the Chinese Courts. Indeed, very much like Mr Cameron takes orders from the Commission and the European Courts.

I mean take one example, we can lock people up here (without charging them) for longer than they do in Zimbabwe. Just because we have food on the table, a advanced economy and smooth roads doesn't mean we are freer than those who are poor.

For me, it stinks of hypocracy that Undertaker can defend China, yet for any other country that would addapt socialist or communist regimes he slates them (with the help of his precious Daily Mail of course).

China is a police-state, its economy is a very capital leaning one.

I defend many socialist states, or left-leaning states. Cuba and Castro, Iraq under Saddam - I may not agree with their line of thought but its Britains place to tell them how to run their own country. Maybe you'd like to address my points rather than banging on about the Daily Mail?

[Chippiewill]

-some more pointless winging to explain why UKIP is better than china-

Try using the internet in china, oh wait, yeah. You can basically only access government run websites and all other websites are randomly searched by chinas government. Oh and the TV blacks out whenever something bad about china comes on? Oh yeah I didn't realise that I could say something about the government in the UK on national TV but not in China.

If you said what you say in China you would be arrested, tortured and any evidence of it inaccessible/deleted. Stop trying to pretend that China is as good as the EU.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Try using the internet in china, oh wait, yeah. You can basically only access government run websites and all other websites are randomly searched by chinas government. Oh and the TV blacks out whenever something bad about china comes on? Oh yeah I didn't realise that I could say something about the government in the UK on national TV but not in China.

If you said what you say in China you would be arrested, tortured and any evidence of it inaccessible/deleted. Stop trying to pretend that China is as good as the EU.

But i'm not making the comparison that the European Union or that Britain is anything like China in terms of the gulags that exist there, or starvation or criticism of the ruling political parties. For one example would be the fact that the EU and the USSR are structured similar - which is fact and is backed up by a number of ex-Soviets who have made the comparison along with their former Presidemt, Mr Gorbachev. Just because that comparison is made, it doesnt mean that everybody in the EU is starving/being carted off by secret police in the middle of the night - it is simply showing that both the EU and the USSR share the same undemocratic setup.

I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy when we lecture countries like China despite the fact that we also are far from properly democratic and we also have laws which determine what you can and can't say. The EU makes a majority of our laws, yet they are unelected and unaccountable - just the same as the CCP in China. So whats the difference, other than the fact you've been told by our politicians that they are in the wrong and we are in the right. Start analying it for yourself rather than listening to the likes of Cameron on democracy - a man who refuses to hold referendums and gains power based on making promises he never intends to carry out.

China doesn't pretend, we do.

[Chippiewill]

gains power based on making promises he never intends to carry out.

Because you of course can guarantee that UKIP will..