Labour's missing £1bn in foreign aid

[Catzsy]

Why are they still throwing money at these people? All it does is goes to the warmongering rulers who still believe in rain gods and witch doctors and hate white people anyway. A simpler and probably cheaper solution would be to reclaim the land as British territory and rebuild internally.

Again a post with sweeping statements with little actual facts or substance or even any realistic knowledge of the situations in the third world. Yes, let's bring back the British Empire, plunder and exploit these lands again shall we. We were all better off in the 19th/ early 20th century when we didn't even look after our own poor. Lets send all our people on benefits to the work house.

[AgnesIO]

Try to be a bit more objective when filing these threads, maybe?

Foreign aid is essential - it is humanitarian and most countries are of the same view. Admittedly it has to be accepted that all government departments should be audited regularly to make sure they have adequate financial controls to measure expenditure accurately and this is obviously what the Government, then, Labour, failed to do but as there were none in place it has also to be accepted that previous government's were also guilty of this which is the same as for the expensed scandal. These problems didnt just arise under a labour government. What would UKIP do about foreign aid?

Decided to quote Catzy.

Perhaps if everyone makes sure they read this before replying, since honestly, she couldn't be any more spot on.

[Eoin247]

Why are they still throwing money at these people? All it does is goes to the warmongering rulers who still believe in rain gods and witch doctors and hate white people anyway. A simpler and probably cheaper solution would be to reclaim the land as British territory and rebuild internally.

Is this guy for real?This is a very ignorant statement no offence. You are saying this with no evidense behind it.

I've been to central african countries like Uganda where some of this aid goes. Most of them are christian/muslim for a start and very few nowdays believe in whichdoctors, certainly not the people in power.

They don't hate white people even though some have decent reason to. In fact if you're a white person you are a bit of a celebrity in africa since they see so few of them.

Your idea of a simpler solution... I sincerely hope that was a joke.

[Swastika]

UKIP would never come to power, so what UKIP would do in terms of foreign aid is irrelevant to be honest.
Foreign aid should be abolished, anything not in favour nor of British interests should be abolished (such as the illegal Afghan war).
It's a known fact that hardly anything of the billions & billions given actually goes to the people of the chosen country and the governments never do anything with the money either.
Look at Israel for instance, they receive 6 billion from the US every year - and what do they do? Kill innocent civilians with bombs bought with the money.

The sooner this country has a rising nationalist party, the better. I'm sick to the back teeth or modern day politics and kids talking about policies and politics they know nothing about.

[Catzsy]

UKIP would never come to power, so what UKIP would do in terms of foreign aid is irrelevant to be honest.
Foreign aid should be abolished, anything not in favour nor of British interests should be abolished (such as the illegal Afghan war).
It's a known fact that hardly anything of the billions & billions given actually goes to the people of the chosen country and the governments never do anything with the money either.
Look at Israel for instance, they receive 6 billion from the US every year - and what do they do? Kill innocent civilians with bombs bought with the money.

The sooner this country has a rising nationalist party, the better. I'm sick to the back teeth or modern day politics and kids talking about policies and politics they know nothing about.

And you think you have a superior knowledge to 'us kids'? Perhaps you should post a more informed argument then and tell us why we should become a nationalist society and what implications that would have for ALL the citizens of the UK.

[-:Undertaker:-]

What you fail to address, in another labour bashing thread is that it is Civil servants who have failed to monitor this expenditure who probably are not all labour supporters. In fact a labour MP headed this committee and report.

Well as the saying goes, she would say that wouldn't she - the same way in which Brown and Ed Balls said before and after the election that 'perhaps we got immigration wrong' and just as next election they will campaign on a manifesto of tightening immigration into this country - just as the Conservatives did and just as they are as powerless as Labour as the European Union now decides that area. I'm afraid saying sorry and 'lessons have been learnt' after you are out of office isn't good enough.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

Try to be a bit more objective when filing these threads, maybe?

Foreign aid is essential - it is humanitarian and most countries are of the same view. Admittedly it has to be accepted that all government departments should be audited regularly to make sure they have adequate financial controls to measure expenditure accurately and this is obviously what the Government, then, Labour, failed to do but as there were none in place it has also to be accepted that previous government's were also guilty of this which is the same as for the expensed scandal.

Foreign aid is essential? please don't talk political claptrap. Foreign aid is not essential in the slightest, how can we give foreign aid when our country has a £7.9 trillion debt? it defies economics and it defies common sense - you cannot give out money that you do not have. Foreign aid is a political tool which is used to 'buy out' countries to get them to tow our political line once in a while because as I said before, the aid ends up in the pockets of the politicians.

I can't put it any better than Jesse Ventura when it comes to foreign aid;

As for Labour and the last government along with expenses, yeah yeah yeah - they had 13 years and they failed to do anything, all of them were in on it and thats the absolute truth - they take you all for fools and you are still willing to be fooled by them time and time again.

These problems didnt just arise under a labour government.

The debt problem did arise under the Labour govermment, and whatever problems there may have been Labour had 13 years to make them better i'm afraid yet they didn't - expenses wasn't allowed to carry on because 'oh we didnt have enough time' - it was allowed to continue because they also had their hands in the till.

What would UKIP do about foreign aid?

They'd cut it completely i'd hope, even reduce - i'd like to see it reduced to £0.

No, not necessarily. All civil servants are hired by senior civil servants and have to work with whatever government is in power. They don't change because the governments change. I might not agree with Dan most of the time but at least he is knowledgeabloe puts forward a solid argument instead of posting well worn sound bites.

And the civil service was turned political by the Labour government by allowing Alistair Campbell to become involved/direct the Civil service, so the blame lays directly with Labour - that said, even if the civil service was still non-political the governing party still runs the government which means the civil service is subservant to the elected parliament.

Again a post with sweeping statements with little actual facts or substance or even any realistic knowledge of the situations in the third world. Yes, let's bring back the British Empire, plunder and exploit these lands again shall we. We were all better off in the 19th/ early 20th century when we didn't even look after our own poor. Lets send all our people on benefits to the work house.

And build many roads, bridges, hospitals, schools, electric cables and so forth as we did? Africa now has its independence and what has it achieved? nothing; had the British and other Europeans not have gone to Africa they would still be in the same position they were back in 1000AD. If people want to give to charity then let them, don't have the state do it for me. Why should the government take our money we which worked and earned and pass it on to Robert Mugabe and his Zanu-PF crooks?

The fact is that Labour lost us a clear £1bn in this case due to sheer incompetence.

[Suspective]

And build many roads, bridges, hospitals, schools, electric cables and so forth as we did? Africa now has its independence and what has it achieved? nothing; had the British and other Europeans not have gone to Africa they would still be in the same position they were back in 1000AD. If people want to give to charity then let them, don't have the state do it for me. Why should the government take our money we which worked and earned and pass it on to Robert Mugabe and his Zanu-PF crooks?

I Completely agree with you. There is enough charities around that support the countries in practical ways, by visiting them and assisting them e.g. Oxfam. Why just transfer money to their bank accounts? Maybe, if foreign aid from the government was scrapped it could be spent on better things and maybe lead to a reduction in debt and in the long run taxation.

[Swastika]

And you think you have a superior knowledge to 'us kids'? Perhaps you should post a more informed argument then and tell us why we should become a nationalist society and what implications that would have for ALL the citizens of the UK.

The fact your arguing against nationalism is laughable, we're giving billions to foreign countries so they can re-build their national pride and your sat here asking me why we should become a nationalist society? There are far too many points to make about nationalism, if your really that bothered send me a PM.

[Catzsy]

The fact your arguing against nationalism is laughable, we're giving billions to foreign countries so they can re-build their national pride and your sat here asking me why we should become a nationalist society? There are far too many points to make about nationalism, if your really that bothered send me a PM.

I am not arguing against Nationalism I am asking you to explain it which is what you keep saying you want to do.

[Swastika]

I am not arguing against Nationalism I am asking you to explain it which is what you keep saying you want to do.

Not by hi-jacking somebodies thread.

A nationalist political party would be one that shows patriotism and would sacrifice everything for Britain, much like the Nazi Party of Germany.
The term nationalist would describe patriotism and dedication towards your homeland, and socialism would be much like "British jobs for British workers" or by using our own resources such as steel rather go looking abroad for it.
A national socialist party would work wonders for this country IF it was done correctly and did not follow the paths of the NSDAP of Germany.
Unfortunately, at the moment there is no existing National Socialist party in the UK that doesn't link its self to racist skinhead thugs.