Rule A5: Continued

[Catzsy]

Yes they have things like checking for unbalanced trades between two IP addresses etc. and that could result players getting banned as a direct consequence of actions on our forums, which may not be the best thing at all.

@Rosie: What happened before is insignificant, we are talking about rules at the current time. Once a rule or a law is effective, people are expected to get by the times and follow it.As far as I'm aware these rules existed prior to this 'effective' date. However in 2009 Jagex re-did their rules were categorized by numbers and not by topic, making many of their rules much more vague. After 2009 and during 2010 this was re-done and rules became by topic and more clearer, thus the rule we are discussing most probably had a re-phrasing to what we see today.

I agree with the part in bold but this was not brought to the attention of Habbox 'in black and white' until today so they could not really have acted on it. It is obviously up to Management to now consider it in the light of the information. I do not see it the duty of Habbox to 'get by the times and follow' something that was not known and that Jagex have not complained to them about. I also do not think it is up to Habbox to
go looking for updates either.

[Grig]

I agree with the part in bold but this was not brought to the attention of Habbox 'in black and white' until today so they could not really have acted on it. It is obviously up to Management to now consider it in the light of the information. I do not see it the duty of Habbox to 'get by the times and follow' something that was not known and that Jagex have not complained to them about. I also do not think it is up to Habbox to
go looking for updates either.

It's their game and they can do whatever they want. They can also take action against sites promoting rule-breaking. Although, they only do this for the bigger sites I'm sure it isn't good for Habbox. If you choose to dedicate a section to runescape make sure there is no dirty laundry hanging around in it, no one was forcing you to do that section either if we go by your argument of why should Habbox go and scout for rules.

For the better part you need to comply with the Habbo way and it is your duty to do that, just as it is your duty to not be running a black-market forum in terms of runescape trading!

[Catzsy]

It's their game and they can do whatever they want. They can also take action against sites promoting rule-breaking. Although, they only do this for the bigger sites I'm sure it isn't good for Habbox. If you choose to dedicate a section to runescape make sure there is no dirty laundry hanging around in it, no one was forcing you to do that section either if we go by your argument of why should Habbox go and scout for rules.

For the better part you need to comply with the Habbo way and it is your duty to do that, just as it is your duty to not be running a black-market forum in terms of runescape trading!

Well this is the Habbo Way

The Habbo Way is a simple set of rules for all players to follow in the Habbo:

* Do not bully, harass or abuse other players; avoid violent or aggressive behaviour.

* Do not steal or scam passwords, credits or furniture from other players.

* Keep your password and personal details secret and never try to gain this information from other players.

* You may not give away, sell or trade your Habbo account or seek to sell virtual items from Habbo for cash.

* Do not take part in sexual activities, make sexual proposals or respond to them.

* Do not use any scripts or third party software to enter, disrupt or modify Habbo.

Treat other players as you would wish to be treated! And remember that a crime in a virtual world is as serious as in the real world.

There is nothing there to suggest that trading items for Runescape is against the T&Cs but it is for cash. How do you know the part in bold? I am speaking personally not for Habbox - it is for management to decide. I think you are being pretty unrealistic to think that any site goes looking for updates in rules except for the main one they are affiliated to i.e. it is a Habbo Fansite. As for the rest I am sure the management will consider your points.

[Josh]

http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/02/12/24648.htm

Jagex sued bot developers.

Of course, this is last case scenario and certainly wouldn't happen to Habbox but it still breaks terms and conditions.

Also, I'm sorry, but why are we looking at the Habbo way? The fansite way probably touches on it a a little when it says "Don't break the law or encourages others to do so" or something similar to that. What I'm talking about is the Habboxforum rules.

A5. Do not use this forum for any illegal practices, including but not limited to:

* Breaking of the Habbo Way or encouraging T&C violation.

Not the habbo way... this forum's own rules.

Edit: Don't even get me started on the fansite way though; Habboxforum violates it too.

[Cosmic]

Sticks my neck out a little bit. I understand what everyone is saying and I think in light of Wiizzz's find, Habbox needs to change their stance regarding Habbo/RS trading. I'm sure that not doing so could lead to a potential for trouble from Jagex.

[Catzsy]

http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/02/12/24648.htm

Jagex sued bot developers.

Of course, this is last case scenario and certainly wouldn't happen to Habbox but it still breaks terms and conditions.

Also, I'm sorry, but why are we looking at the Habbo way? The fansite way probably touches on it a a little when it says "Don't break the law or encourages others to do so" or something similar to that. What I'm talking about is the Habboxforum rules.



Not the habbo way... this forum's own rules.

Edit: Don't even get me started on the fansite way though; Habboxforum violates it too.

Because Grig said this, Wiizzz.

For the better part you need to comply with the Habbo way and it is your duty to do that, just as it is your duty to not be running a black-market forum in terms of runescape trading!

It was in answer to Grig but I am sure your post above will prove useful however I do not think that Habbox violates the fansite way in any shape or form.

[Hecktix]

Wiizzz, HabboxForum breaks the Fansite Way in no manner, we've only broken it once and we got in quite a bit of trouble for it, well we didn't Kazopark did.

At the end of the day we are a Habbo fansite and we will follow the rules Habbo present to us, it's these rules we monitor for changes and developments. We will not constantly monitor other sites that we have minute sections on, it's not plausible and quite frankly our management would be doing nothing else but rules research.

HabboxForum has allowed the trading of Habbo to Runescape for many years and whilst runescape have sent us emails about botting and account trading they have never contacted us regarding this, so either way it must be a relatively new rule or they would have mentioned it in previous correspondence.

Perhaps it is time to refresh the rules on runescape with this now coming to light, I asked Jin about the matter when I was a Super Moderator and was informed that it wasn't technically against Jagex rules - as shown in your first post they seem to have reworded certain rules to forbid the trading for benefits on other sites - this is now pretty clear that it's against the rules, so perhaps Catzsy and Cosmic are correct it would seem Habbox needs to update this now it has been brought to our attention.

However, there was no need for us to find this out ourselves, as I have said we are a dedicated Habbo Fansite and will follow the rules that Habbo provide us and of course International Laws.

[Josh]

So are you going to look into changing it or are you going to leave it as it is:

If option 1: That's good, thanks.

If option 2: It's breaking the forum rules so it needs to be changed.

[Hecktix]

So are you going to look into changing it or are you going to leave it as it is:

If option 1: That's good, thanks.

If option 2: It's breaking the forum rules so it needs to be changed.

It will be discussed with Forum Management before it's discussed with you, Josh

[Josh]

That's all I need to hear.