West to use possible military action against Gaddafi

[Conservative,]

So you'd be prepared to go and fight in Iraq/Afghanistan am I right?

A war is only worth it if you are willing to go yourself and in the knowledge that you may die in the process.

And also, in terms of getting rid of dictators - China next then boys? (oh no I forgot, China can defend itself and give us a smack in the face back!)



Are you planning to sign up anytime soon?

I can't for health reasons, but if I could then if I was asked to - yes I would sign up. I wouldn't do it as a first-choice career but if I asked to for the national interest (if I could) I would fight.

And China isn't a dictatorship in which tonnes of innocent people are slaughtered, although I agree China isn't the best at these kind of things.

[FlyingJesus]

Isn't Big Daddy Gaddy the only reason Libya's not been an utter pile of toilet filler like so many other north African countries? Besides, he looks like Mufasa how can you not like him

[-:Undertaker:-]

I can't for health reasons, but if I could then if I was asked to - yes I would sign up. I wouldn't do it as a first-choice career but if I asked to for the national interest (if I could) I would fight.

(Medical reasons aside) you don't need to be asked in order to fight, just because you haven't been drafted doesn't mean you cannot just sign up if its such an issue to you. The usual response of 'if i'm asked I will' is a sidestep, because if you are called up you are not given the choice in the first place. Whenever you think of a war, think 'would I go myself' - if the answer is no, then the war isn't worth it and its a question our politicians 'the chickenhawks' need to ask themselves or ask if they feel their sons would be worth the sacrifice.

Strangely enough if they did ask that question, I don't think we'd be in Iraq/Afghanistan let alone contemplating Libya.

And China isn't a dictatorship in which tonnes of innocent people are slaughtered, although I agree China isn't the best at these kind of things.

China has an estimated one million people in political prisoner camps, if you want to worry about dictatorships - worry about China.

Isn't Big Daddy Gaddy the only reason Libya's not been an utter pile of toilet filler like so many other north African countries? Besides, he looks like Mufasa how can you not like him

Yeah, and we supported Big Daddy Gaffy just as we did with Saddam Hussein, Osama Bin Laden, Hosni Mubarak, Ben Ali, Robert Mugabe........ the list goes on and on. I mean, I personally think we should trade with everyone regardless and mind our own business, but the people who run the west preach democracy and freedom but not to their puppet dictators.

We then all wonder, why are we so hated?

[Conservative,]

(Medical reasons aside) you don't need to be asked in order to fight, just because you haven't been drafted doesn't mean you cannot just sign up if its such an issue to you. The usual response of 'if i'm asked I will' is a sidestep, because if you are called up you are not given the choice in the first place. Whenever you think of a war, think 'would I go myself' - if the answer is no, then the war isn't worth it and its a question our politicians 'the chickenhawks' need to ask themselves or ask if they feel their sons would be worth the sacrifice.

Strangely enough if they did ask that question, I don't think we'd be in Iraq/Afghanistan let alone contemplating Libya.



China has an estimated one million people in political prisoner camps, if you want to worry about dictatorships - worry about China.



Yeah, and we supported Big Daddy Gaffy just as we did with Saddam Hussein, Osama Bin Laden, Hosni Mubarak, Ben Ali, Robert Mugabe........ the list goes on and on. I mean, I personally think we should trade with everyone regardless and mind our own business, but the people who run the west preach democracy and freedom but not to their puppet dictators.

We then all wonder, why are we so hated?

At least China doesn't go round open firing on innocent civilians.

[-:Undertaker:-]

At least China doesn't go round open firing on innocent civilians.

Tiananmen Square?

Or what about Operation Shock and Awe which was used during the Iraq war?

[FlyingJesus]

At least China doesn't go round open firing on innocent civilians.

Have you not seen Mulan


oh yeah and Tiananmen Square I guess that was pretty harsh too

[Conservative,]

Oh yeah forgot about Tiannaman square

Oh well, I still believe that if we can, we should be bringing peace and democracy to everyone we can.

[FlyingJesus]

What because we do it so well lol

[-:Undertaker:-]

Oh yeah forgot about Tiannaman square

Oh well, I still believe that if we can, we should be bringing peace and democracy to everyone we can.

Indeed, and the best way we can do that is through non-interventionalism - by setting an example to the rest of the world and not supporting these dictators through foreign aid (which you yourself wanted to retain) and cheap arms deals in return for faked support on the 'war on terror'. We heard Gaddafi yesterday say how the west has betrayed him, and yes he is right. To support a regime for decades and then, when that regime is in trouble for us to invade it and claim 'oh yes, we want you to be free' is pure hypocrisy.

[Catzsy]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...sh-troops.html

We'll use military force to free Libya, vows PM: Cameron plans no-fly zone over country and even threatens to send British troops

Gaddafi and the supposed saint of freedom, Antony Blair (also Middle East Peace Envoy, doing a good job isn't he?)

Tut tut it didn't take him long to turn into the heir to Blair, but then again we do need to bring freedom and democracy to the oil wells that are placed in Libya do we not? this is none of our business and the idea of us becoming involved is utterly ridiculous, our forces are already utterly overstretched fighting the pointless war in Afghanistan which will result in the same outcome as the British imperial mission there many many decades ago (100+ years) and the same result which met the Soviets; failure.

No 'no fly zones', no military action and lets keep our noses out of it. We haven't got the money, we haven't got the equipment and we haven't got the justification to police the world as the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan show. This comment made me laugh, and its spot on concerning the wests foreign policy in recent years;



And as for anyone thinking this is a good course of action concerning Libya, when are you signing up then?

Thoughts?

Totally wrong impression of Tony Blair again. He knew exactly who he was dealing with and was the only person that persuaded Gadaffi to give up his WMD and let the inspectors in. You going to criticise this too?. This guy has been in power under successive governments and I thought you were the last person to agree to invade a country purely for a 'regime' change. Tell me is Iran a better country since the Shar went or is it just the same oppressive one party state? It is worrying that they have been threatened with military action so soon.