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[Sharon]

I'm a bit confused, can you have more than one team per forum?

I was actualy thinking of the election this morning before it was posted and was going to it it in feedback, seeems you beat me! Great idea. I see it as trying to bring the forum together really, it looks like everyone is willing to do it, apart from spam of course

[RyRy]

I'm a bit confused, can you have more than one team per forum?

I was actualy thinking of the election this morning before it was posted and was going to it it in feedback, seeems you beat me! Great idea. I see it as trying to bring the forum together really, it looks like everyone is willing to do it, apart from spam of course

Bringing the forum together by separating the forums into individual elections? RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT.

[HotelUser]

The only thing I don't like is: [/B]To me, that sounds very big headed, perhaps I just took it into the wrong context. I don't see how having direct contact with the forum manager could be part of a prize. It just seems like management think it's some sort of privilege which I don't agree with.

Pretty sure thats what the Habbox Feedback Forum is for. And lets be fair, "ideas and feedback used" is a distance away from what it says in the actual competition where it says "ideas and feedback discussed", as it's not you who gets the final say in what goes onto the forum and what doesn't. You have to also make sure that General Management have no problems with it, or at least every other Forum Manager has had to, or perhaps you're getting a free leash for some reason which gives you the idea to state that "you make the decisions of the forum"?

If any forum representative from this election stated an idea previously suggested by a member, nothing would change. If they suggested something new, we wouldn't have a say on whether we agree or not with it until it's implemented because you've went directly to the Forum Manager with it. There's no point in winning this if the Feedback Forum is there, as it is (or at least should be) one of your duties to reply to things related to the forum in the Feedback Forum.

Moving away from that though, I dislike this idea because of how it's individual people and not necessarily teams like it was last year. The General election thing was funny, quite alot of people got involved cuz there was parties, this just doesn't give the same appeal. You've tried to improve something that was good, and failed to manage it.

It's not bigheaded at all. Encouraging even more communication between users and forum management isn't bigheaded.

Of course Nicki like any other manager is responsible for being involved in feedback threads but keep in mind feedback threads tend to tackle very broad things and just because a member has an opinion doesn't mean they always share it by creating a feedback thread.

Why do we bother having specific section moderators when we could just have a fleet of global moderators, or, why do we bother having moderators at all when we could just rely on users reporting posts? Because having moderators specifically looking out for problems and correcting them is a lot more efficient than us just saying, "but we can accomplish sort of the same thing by just leaving it like this." Just like that example, having a user who loves to post in a section and enjoys a particular section be in a position where they can directly communicate ideas to forum management is a lot better then having to go through a feedback thread.

Another way to look at it is, do you see a lot of feedback threads retaining to the spam forums? I think it's fair to say you don't compared to other things. But by doing what we're doing with the election, someone who primarily posts in the spam forum and is fairly successful in that forum is going to be in a position to give Nicola feedback and opinions that they likely wouldn't otherwise go to the effort of posting in the feedback forum.

[Inseriousity.]

I'm not really a fan of the 'twist' tbh. I quite liked how broad it was last year and how it was about the whole forum rather than each section.

.... is going to be in a position to give Nicola feedback and opinions that they likely wouldn't otherwise go to the effort of posting in the feedback forum.

I also think it's important to note that the reason people might not be posting feedback about a certain forum is that they are happy with the way it is. If they haven't gone to the effort of posting feedback, the chances are it's not important enough for them to warrant posting it or they don't have any.

Yeah I'm not really feeling the new twist but good luck to everyone who enters

[Jordy]

Did none of the campaign organisers flag up that "HabboxForum Specific Forum Election 2011" is the most ridiculous name for a competition/campaign ever?

Titles are meant to be something short and snappy, maybe even witty. It is an incredibly long name and uses the word "Forum" twice. The fact you would use this as a title suggests none of you have any idea how to communicate with users and how out of touch you all are. Such a mouthful and boring beyond belief. Surely one of you must agree it is an appalling name?

It most probably has good intentions as these sort of management-user interaction based campaigns always do but chances are it'll result in nothing, as always.

[HotelUser]

Did none of the campaign organisers flag up that "HabboxForum Specific Forum Election 2011" is the most ridiculous name for a competition/campaign ever?

Titles are meant to be something short and snappy, maybe even witty. It is an incredibly long name and uses the word "Forum" twice. The fact you would use this as a title suggests none of you have any idea how to communicate with users and how out of touch you all are. Such a mouthful and boring beyond belief. Surely one of you must agree it is an appalling name?

It most probably has good intentions as these sort of management-user interaction based campaigns always do but chances are it'll result in nothing, as always.

The fact that you don't like the name suggests a complete lack of understanding how to communicate with users ?

I think in lieu of just concluding that the entire thing will result in nothing from the beginning without saying much more on how to ensure that it does not (other than disagreeing with its title), that you could elaborate here.

I'm not really a fan of the 'twist' tbh. I quite liked how broad it was last year and how it was about the whole forum rather than each section.



I also think it's important to note that the reason people might not be posting feedback about a certain forum is that they are happy with the way it is. If they haven't gone to the effort of posting feedback, the chances are it's not important enough for them to warrant posting it or they don't have any.

Yeah I'm not really feeling the new twist but good luck to everyone who enters

Which makes it even more important that forum management has good communication with the users of a section as so they have a nice general consensus of how things are going in that section. You're right in that someone's not going to make a feedback thread just to give their speculations on how things are going when they don't actually want to suggest any major changes (which would generally be what merits a feedback thread) because things are, more or less, going pretty smoothly.

[Jordy]

The fact that you don't like the name suggests a complete lack of understanding how to communicate with users ?

I think in lieu of just concluding that the entire thing will result in nothing from the beginning without saying much more on how to ensure that it does not (other than disagreeing with its title), that you could elaborate here.

No not the fact I don't like the name, the fact the name is very long, boring and uninspiring suggests the management are out of touch and unable to communicate with users.

I was merely basing my prediction on the previous Habbox Councils and the election last year. Whilst the election was very successful in engaging users and the community as a whole last year, at the end it amounted to very few changes. It's still early days but there was a real competitive edge last year and a lot of talk all round the forum about it, now it's just some uninspiring campaign which will still amount to nothing. If people have decent suggestions they can be put forward in this forum, and quite often they are actually listened to which is a great thing. This uninspiring campaign is pretty much pointless as a result.

To conclude;
The name's awful and I'd even go as far as saying it demonstrates how out of touch the management team is
There needs to be large teams like last year
The prize won't attract people (ooh you can talk to management!)
The exercise is pointless as suggestions can be made in this forum

[HotelUser]

No not the fact I don't like the name, the fact the name is very long, boring and uninspiring suggests the management are out of touch and unable to communicate with users.

I was merely basing my prediction on the previous Habbox Councils and the election last year. Whilst the election was very successful in engaging users and the community as a whole last year, at the end it amounted to very few changes. It's still early days but there was a real competitive edge last year and a lot of talk all round the forum about it, now it's just some uninspiring campaign which will still amount to nothing. If people have decent suggestions they can be put forward in this forum, and quite often they are actually listened to which is a great thing. This uninspiring campaign is pretty much pointless as a result.

To conclude;
The name's awful and I'd even go as far as saying it demonstrates how out of touch the management team is
There needs to be large teams like last year
The prize won't attract people (ooh you can talk to management!)
The exercise is pointless as suggestions can be made in this forum

You're saying we shouldn't do an election because last year the winners were involved in making few changes but then you say we shouldn't do it because the prize of being involved in making changes isn't appealing.

Basing the abilities of anyone off their own ability to come up with a name for something is incredibly baseless. If you don't like the name then say that, but I can't see how it could mean anything more than that.

You said the prize wont attract people but then said the exercise is pointless, though people are participating regardless. I think you may be forgetting that there's more to the prize than just talking to management, and I think a lot of people will participate because it can actually be quite entertaining.

So having said that I don't think it's a pointless exercise at all if it amounts to having some good natured fun and increases the livelyhood of the forum. If you are not attracted to the one aspect of the prize retaining to talking to forum management then fair enough I suppose, and fair enough if you think that never happened last year proceeding the election. That being said, we are going to go to the efforts to ensure that the winners actually do have an opportunity to run with their ideas this year, and even if that only results in us all encouraging the winners to post more feedback threads when they otherwise wouldn't have that's still a noteworthy improvement.

[Jordy]

You're saying we shouldn't do an election because last year the winners were involved in making few changes but then you say we shouldn't do it because the prize of being involved in making changes isn't appealing.

I'm saying it'll probably amount to nothing much like every other "council" Habbox has had. There's absolutely nothing wrong with basing things on history. I'm also saying the campaign is bad and unlikely to be supported as the prize is poor and yes, unappealing.

Basing the abilities of anyone off their own ability to come up with a name for something is incredibly baseless. If you don't like the name then say that, but I can't see how it could mean anything more than that.

I think I'm making a fair point. If management members are unable to communicate with users in a "fun" or "interesting" manner, why are they in the job? I'm not saying they should be sacked cause they came up with a bad title. But I do think it's worrying that no one on the management team thought to say "HabboxForum Specific Forum Election 2011" is a terribly long, boring and uninspiring name. Especially when just "Habbox Election" would be far more ample and to the point. The idea of this campaign seems to be communication between "Management" and "Users", such a ridiculous name shows a lack of communication and therefore shows how you're all somewhat out of touch and not "down" with the users.

You said the prize wont attract people but then said the exercise is pointless, though people are participating regardless. I think you may be forgetting that there's more to the prize than just talking to management, and I think a lot of people will participate because it can actually be quite entertaining.

I believe the exercise is pointless seeing as it neithers engages the community (like last years) nor will it change much seeing as changes could be brought about by simply creating a reasonable thread in the Feedback forum. I also believe last years campaign was far more entertaining with the team/party element, for instance even I was involved with that, I won't even give this a second look this year and I've little doubt, some others will feel the same.

So having said that I don't think it's a pointless exercise at all if it amounts to having some good natured fun and increases the livelyhood of the forum. If you are not attracted to the one aspect of the prize retaining to talking to forum management then fair enough I suppose, and fair enough if you think that never happened last year proceeding the election. That being said, we are going to go to the efforts to ensure that the winners actually do have an opportunity to run with their ideas this year, and even if that only results in us all encouraging the winners to post more feedback threads when they otherwise wouldn't have that's still a noteworthy improvement.

It's a Habbo fansite, a specifically determined prize on Habbo would be far better as well, "Win a throne each" or whatever.
"All three of you will be able to contribute to the 'Member of the Month' discussions for your section for 6 months.
Direct contact with the Forum Manager for a period of 6 months to discuss feedback & plans for the forum you represent." - That's not a prize, that's a small privilege. For instance you wouldn't say a Forum Moderator's powers are a prize, you'd say they are a privilege. I'm afraid I just don't think it will be much good natured fun as there is little incentive and it is badly structured with a lack of teams and poor name choice.

Your reluctance to accept any of my criticism and determination to argue each individual point I make just shows how reluctant and out of touch you are (and maybe others) and once again why this campaign will probably result to no changes, the mindset of the management team.

[HotelUser]

I'm saying it'll probably amount to nothing much like every other "council" Habbox has had. There's absolutely nothing wrong with basing things on history. I'm also saying the campaign is bad and unlikely to be supported as the prize is poor and yes, unappealing.

I think I'm making a fair point. If management members are unable to communicate with users in a "fun" or "interesting" manner, why are they in the job? I'm not saying they should be sacked cause they came up with a bad title. But I do think it's worrying that no one on the management team thought to say "HabboxForum Specific Forum Election 2011" is a terribly long, boring and uninspiring name. Especially when just "Habbox Election" would be far more ample and to the point. The idea of this campaign seems to be communication between "Management" and "Users", such a ridiculous name shows a lack of communication and therefore shows how you're all somewhat out of touch and not "down" with the users.

I believe the exercise is pointless seeing as it neithers engages the community (like last years) nor will it change much seeing as changes could be brought about by simply creating a reasonable thread in the Feedback forum. I also believe last years campaign was far more entertaining with the team/party element, for instance even I was involved with that, I won't even give this a second look this year and I've little doubt, some others will feel the same.

It's a Habbo fansite, a specifically determined prize on Habbo would be far better as well, "Win a throne each" or whatever.
"All three of you will be able to contribute to the 'Member of the Month' discussions for your section for 6 months.
Direct contact with the Forum Manager for a period of 6 months to discuss feedback & plans for the forum you represent." - That's not a prize, that's a small privilege. For instance you wouldn't say a Forum Moderator's powers are a prize, you'd say they are a privilege. I'm afraid I just don't think it will be much good natured fun as there is little incentive and it is badly structured with a lack of teams and poor name choice.

Your reluctance to accept any of my criticism and determination to argue each individual point I make just shows how reluctant and out of touch you are (and maybe others) and once again why this campaign will probably result to no changes, the mindset of the management team.

I agree with you in that there's nothing wrong with basing things on history and I'd probably also agree with you that in the past this has been the case with these council based setups to an extent. However it is also very fair of us to learn from the past and promise to turn more of an eye towards those who are elected.

We would never expect Nicola or any manager for that matter to go to such extraordinary lengths to come up with a name for something. I think that's rather silly and doesn't reflect upon anyone's management skills at all. We are more focused on how well this competition is run and as I previously said, how well kept the communication is between Nicola and the winners. As I said before if you disagree with the name then disagree with it, but that's just a matter of opinion and you cannot derive further valid speculations from something as simple as a name.

I don't think the entire exercise is pointless if people are involving themselves with it. It's too bad you can't participate in the party elements like you could last year and if that's something a lot of people miss then it's something we can consider for the future.

As for the prize it's a Forum competition and the prize is 60 reputation each and 3 months of a unique paid subscription on the forum each on the forum. Contrary to popular belief Habbox does not have vaults of Habbo gold so I think throne prizes might be overshooting it abit (believe me if we had 3 extra thrones as a prize for this we would be using them but I don't think anyone has access to that sort of funds). I honestly don't see the problem with the VIP and reputation being the prize. A lot of members pay real money for VIP and 3 free months times 3 for each winner of it is a pretty sweet deal especially with the reputation. And so that is the actually "prize" sortospeak and you are right in saying the communication with the forum manager is a privilege. A privilege cannot be a prize but the opportunity to access the privilege is a prize. Regardless too, deliberating over such a small technicality is pointless. What you receive if you are one of the three winners is explained very clearly in the announcement.

If it is reluctant and makes me terribly out of touch to form my own opinions (and actually I've even agreed with you at certain parts) then I am amazed we even got as far as to post the competition. It is completely absurd to throw around accusations of being "out of touch" willy nilly like you are. If you wish to discuss the details retaining to the competition then discuss them. Accusing everyone of being out of touch because you don't like the 5 and not 10 word name of something or because someone doesn't agree with you 100% is just nonsense