EMI to sue Ireland

[efq]

What I am more concerned about is, how docompany'shave this much power?

That is my biggest concern as well. If we are going to be (We, meaning EUROPE) (Undertaker is right btw) forced into more debt by a ******* music record company?

I don’t want to live in a world where the music industry, or any other creative body for that matter, can dictate a country’s policy through the threat of legal action and bankruptcy.

[cocaine]

ireland's ****** as it is but bearing in mind the economic crisis ireland has, along with spain, italy and portgual i doubt the courts will want to be held responsible for increasing ireland's debt and subsequent knock-on effect it'll have on an already fragile, if not almost ruined, euro. i don't think this is the right time nor place for EMI to start legal proceedings. i predict the court will see this and not give EMI a case. for now anyway.

[GommeInc]

What I am more concerned about is, how docompany'shave this much power?

Because the countries they originate and work in gave them such power. It's like arming an insurgent with a double barrelled gun, with one end facing the enemy and one facing the individual holding the weapon. It's self-destructive

Also, if the EMI do win this case they are only damaging themselves in the long run.

What's also interesting is that the EMI is promoting anti-privacy. What goes on in someone's house is literally for the concerns of the occupants and those in close proximity. There's no conclusive evidence that individuals who download illegally are harming the music industry, when many go on to buy more music as a result of listening before buying anyway (either immediately or in the future). It's quite interesting as it reflects on growing interests in consumers getting the best value for money, yet the music industry is living in the stone ages when it comes to this - but this is just a rant going no where

[Eoin247]

There's no conclusive evidence that individuals who download illegally are harming the music industry, when many go on to buy more music as a result of listening before buying anyway (either immediately or in the future).

Actually there is. I've downloaded music for free myself, so I'm certainly not saying this for my benefit. I had this debate on this forum a few times.

I know that for everybody I know who that downloads illegally that at minimum half the music they download they would have bought. I used to buy off iTunes before I found out about lime wire from a friend in school. Soon enough in my school if somebody bought off iTunes they were laughed at for being an idiot. It spreads too you see, I often hear people coaxing others who buy their music to download it for free.

You say people go on to buy music after downloading it, tbh I don't know anybody in real life who does this.

[Oleh]

You say people go on to buy music after downloading it, tbh I don't know anybody in real life who does this.

This just an example: There is bullying going on which results in suicide or which is very bad such as setting them on fire or beating them. I have never met or know of a person in real life that this has happened to. Yet it does happen.

Think about that statement for a second, in context to what you said.

[Inseriousity.]

If everyone started suing the governments for unkept promises, they'd never be out of court.

"Next case!"
"Err it's the State again, your Honour"

[Jordy]

Even if they were to lose in the courts (and I'm talking something like a Billion Euros damages for instance) it would have no affect in the longterm. Whilst the Euro is definitely fragile, it's going to take more than a 1 Billion Euro payout to EMI for the Euro to suddenly collapses. The Euro crisis is in the hundreds of billions and whilst Ireland has one of the worst situations in the Eurozone, it's nothing compared to the likes of Greece and Italy.

Maybe EMI should consider that Ireland has been under considerable economic hardship over the past 12 months and that's why people aren't buying music, and most likely won't for forthcoming years. It doesn't mean they're file sharing just because they choosing not to waste the little money they have on overly priced music.

[Eoin247]

This just an example: There is bullying going on which results in suicide or which is very bad such as setting them on fire or beating them. I have never met or know of a person in real life that this has happened to. Yet it does happen.

Think about that statement for a second, in context to what you said.

Sorry but you're taking my words out of context. When i said i knew nobody who downloaded and bought later i was just showing how it's very rare, not that nobody at all does it. What you've just said actually backed up my point. Suicide due to bullying happens but is very rare, just like this. So therefore being so rare it has very little if any effect in boosting sales.

[GommeInc]

Actually there is. I've downloaded music for free myself, so I'm certainly not saying this for my benefit. I had this debate on this forum a few times.

I know that for everybody I know who that downloads illegally that at minimum half the music they download they would have bought. I used to buy off iTunes before I found out about lime wire from a friend in school. Soon enough in my school if somebody bought off iTunes they were laughed at for being an idiot. It spreads too you see, I often hear people coaxing others who buy their music to download it for free.

You say people go on to buy music after downloading it, tbh I don't know anybody in real life who does this.

There has been no conclusive evidence Many never buy music, many do after downloading illegally. It will never be fully tackled without literally monitoring what an individual does online (through ISPs/Digital Economy Act 2010) or watching them like hawks in reality outside their homes.

If the music industry wants to tackle pirated music, perhaps they should consider why people do it in the first place, rather than run around shooting guns without ever understanding the cause. Many find the music industry has become too money orientated, or the songs are too expensive for what they are - they've what I've read at least