Should we take a tougher stance to combat online copyright? [ENDS 05/02/2012]

[GirlNextDoor15]

[@]@Samanfa[/@] yes I do agree with what you said. However, the problem is not them watching it. It's the producers' fault for uploading child porn on internet. They should be punished. Not those who watch them. You can't blame them. People would watch porn. So, why wouldn't they watch child porn?

[Eoin247]

I think these kind of sites should stay. 3 reasons.

1) They are not hurting the internet nor are they breaking any laws.
2) Should they go? Why?
3) What is really breaking a law on the internet?

Sites that SHOULD be removed should include...

1) Child Porn
2) Porn it'self
3) Site with false information
4) Hate sites
5) Sites that really have no traffic

Now the sites above contain eaither, illegeal content to 17 years of age or younger, false information such as sites that say someone died when they are still alive. Hate sites. Now Hate sites would be considered as you broke up with your girlfriend and you have naked pics of her. I have seen many of these. They need to be stopped ASAP. Site's with no traffic... Now, Bebo, Myspace and sites that are dead have no traffic whatsoever. Now weather they have traffic or not, if they don't meet the standers that admin want's they should shut it down. Now, Facebook, Twitter and Tubmlr have all the traffic right now. If you compare most of these Social Networking sites, then you will see that half of them are dead nor do they have any life left. Say for instance the members of Habbox stopped coming on. Habbox would probably close down. Sites have been known to close after they have no traffic for awhile. As you can see, I am strongly against SOPA, PIPPA, ATCT and all that.

What's wrong with normal porn? It gives people jobs, it's consensual and it harms nobody. Also i disagree with sites that have little traffic should be closed down. If a person wants to make a site for a few specific people, then what's wrong with that?

[dbgtz]

If your going against Child Porn then you must be sadly mistaken. Again, like I said, Child Porn should be taken off.

3 reasons (Yes these will all be legit reasons)

1) Child Porn is getting too many people in trouble.
2) Child Porn is getting searched more and more everyday. (News statistics)
3) Child Porn is growing everyday. (News statistics)

Now, that's my reason's. I stated my fact. Thanks.

They're not really legit reasons without any backing, but I'm not sure if you understood my point correctly. Basically I'm saying it's stupid to put laws on the internet as it is too vast. Also my next point sort of explains what I'm on about.

What's wrong with normal porn? It gives people jobs, it's consensual and it harms nobody. Also i disagree with sites that have little traffic should be closed down. If a person wants to make a site for a few specific people, then what's wrong with that?

I agree with this about the porn bit. It's not about porn specifically, but if one thing starts to get restricted then it will most likely be the cause of a "slippery slope". Porn should only be removed if the content is illegal, however the actual posting or viewing of the video would not be illegal.

[Samantha]

[@]@GirlNextDoor15[/@] ah I see what i mean and you are perfectly right, of course they wouldn't watch it if no one put it on in the first place. I also agree with [@]@eoin247[/@] that porn isn't a bad thing and people should be allowed to watch it, although there would (probably) never be a filter of porn and child porn so I don't think the 'internet bosses?' could manage it.

I'd say more but I have two exams to go to.

[FlyingJesus]

If your going against Child Porn then you must be sadly mistaken. Again, like I said, Child Porn should be taken off.

3 reasons (Yes these will all be legit reasons)

1) Child Porn is getting too many people in trouble.
2) Child Porn is getting searched more and more everyday. (News statistics)
3) Child Porn is growing everyday. (News statistics)

Now, that's my reason's. I stated my fact. Thanks.

Pretty sure child porn is already highly illegal just about everywhere in the world, not sure what your point here is. Do you believe that currently no-one wants to shut down distributors of such material? Also it has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of copyright as obviously you cannot copyright something that's not made legally in the first place.

[GommeInc]

Pretty sure child porn is already highly illegal just about everywhere in the world, not sure what your point here is. Do you believe that currently no-one wants to shut down distributors of such material? Also it has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of copyright as obviously you cannot copyright something that's not made legally in the first place.

You can, it's just not wise to brag about it UK copyright laws cover anything you make and they do not need to be seen in public, because as long as you have proof of when you made it, you're covered - legal or not. It's like a 10 year old painting being revealed for the first time on its 10th birthday - it existed, there is proof therefore the rights to the painting belong to the painter.

Many paintings that were banned and considered illegal years ago were made publically available, and the copyright still remains with the creators of the material. The difference is child pornography doesn't look as though it will be legalised in the coming months

It's relevant to copyright, but it's a boring discussion talking about child pornography because it isn't legal in a majority of countries. We should be discussing typical copyrighted material, like games, music and video - things that can be shared and are legal to watch but illegal to reproduce, share etc.

[JeffDunham-1]

Well SOPA Should kick in. I have 3 albums out and hundreads of free music sites screwed me over the money I deserve to keep on rockin' and paying my manager. At the same time I disagree because its communism. Overall, I believe our rights should be protected and I say screw online copyright because you remove those sites then its communism and we don't live like that...we are FREE....FREE PEOPLE.....A FREE NATION!

[HotelUser]

Should we be more aggressive prosecuting those guilty of copyright infringement and other related crimes on the internet? Of course. Will we? Hopefully not. I like my internet situated like the wild west

[Chippiewill]

This has been debated many times in the past and the industry experts without a vested interest all tend to come to the same conclusion.

The problem with piracy is incredibly short term, the movie industry and others aren't actually all that bothered by the pirates, they're bothered because it's opening doors for their business model to be screwed over. Put simply they're current business model has a massive profit margin, and what they don't want to do is head in to online streaming or similar because it doesn't make them as much money.

For instance, cable networks in the US make a ton of money on subscriptions and a ton of money on advertising, however if they shift to online streaming then the studios which make their shows

Enter in the solely internet based companies launching products like Spotify, Hulu and Netflix suddenly the problem is solved but a whole lot of people aren't making as much money because you can't mark-up for just streaming and the services don't get to sell popcorn for all their overhead. At start-up these services struggle to pay royalties and tend not to make a profit, the big companies (Publishers, labels and cable networks) use this opportunity to kill this service before they're business model is threatened (Due to demand from customers they're forced to get onto these services).

The solution to piracy has never been legislation it's been innovation we've already seen how services like iTunes stepped right in to replace Napster, it's just a matter of time before we get the same Movies and Shows as on TV and in the cinema on release. Services like Steam already show how well this curbs piracy and developers on steam also don't lose money due to second-hand sales.

What you'll find is that the Artists, Developers and Studios all love the opportunities from the internet and the prospect of direct profits because they don't lose their share to labels, printing companies and brickandmortar stores
but all of these middle men suddenly lose their share which is why piracy gets labelled as the reason for shutting all this down.

[Catchy]

The child porn thing interested me how people are saying it should be removed. Yeah it shouldbe for obvious reasons but at the end of the day peeps it's the internet and as long as people have access to it nobody can really control what's published online and people will always find a way. Same goes for the piracy, people will always find some sort of way.