"We face the prospect of mass civil unrest, even revolution"

[jasey]

When somebody turns personal as you just have done, I know i've won the day.

Like I said, I will not take part in your mutated form of debate. You will never see any rational person calling down valid views with buzzwords like 'verbal slurry'. I did give you a few examples to counter your argument with Czechoslovakia et al. and gave you the means to find plenty more. I don't know why you don't think I am educated on the arguments for and against the Euro considering I grew up in it just as much as you did, if not more.

What strikes me as sad, though, is that final statement you made. I have been using this forum for a very long time on different accounts and I know you know about that but I have never made an effort to participate in discussions here before this account. One of the first things I saw was someone saying exactly what I said — that you have turned this place in to a wasteland because you simply don't understand how to debate with anyone that doesn't agree with you. Your form of debate is: if they agree with you, spew out more material and if they don't agree with you, call everything they say down, call them uneducated, act like you need to fix their view and totally discredit anything they say.

It is one thing for someone to be wrong and for you to explain why you think they are wrong. Most of the stuff we are talking about here is subjective. There are people who think what the Euro is going through is a necessary evil and to be expected. It is a different thing for you to tear down everyone who ever disagrees with you. Certainly every single person who disagrees with you on any issue on any thread may have been right even once! Think about that.

So yes, if turning the section in to a bit of a dead space makes you think you have won, congratulations Daniel.

I believe that's an issue with people not being willing to think their views through properly before they support them. Whilst Dan can on occasion over-saturate the forum with UKIP propaganda people can and do ignore it on the occasions he goes OTT.

People are allowed to have views, period. I have never seen someone come in this section and say 'The Euro sucks so let's nuke every country that supports it!' That is a view that hasn't been thought through. Something Daniel and his few like-minded peers doesn't agree with doesn't mean the view has no thought put in to it. In fact, the way he relies on blocks of text with little meaning to tear down arguments just makes me even more uncomfortable trying to understand why he thinks I am wrong. Trust me here, I am very eager to learn all about views that oppose mine and do my absolute best to respect people I don't agree with. I guess some don't!

[Chippiewill]

People are allowed to have views, period. I have never seen someone come in this section and say 'The Euro sucks so let's nuke every country that supports it!' That is a view that hasn't been thought through.

I didn't get the point behind this.

Something Daniel and his few like-minded peers doesn't agree with doesn't mean the view has no thought put in to it.

Yes, it's the fact they cannot back up their arguments which means their view has no thought put in to it.

In fact, the way he relies on blocks of text with little meaning to tear down arguments just makes me even more uncomfortable trying to understand why he thinks I am wrong.

You are hardly innocent of this fact yourself.

[dbgtz]

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No offense but you seem to complain about the lack of evidence with opinions yet you barely your own. You then seem to complain about how he only gives a one sided opinion. Well why wouldn't he? He's not trying to debate with himself, he's debating with you (or whoever). To back up the opinion which he does not side with without the intention to then attack it would be moronic.

Anyway when you say that the United Kingdom is an example where countries can come together. Well, you're sort of right but the UK was essentially forced together and then didn't change after the fall of the empire which it basically is just the last bit of (which could deteriorate even more if the Scottish vote for independence). For many years it has been slowly dissolving and it is arguably a union which has a very common interest. However some of those in the EU have very different interests and cultures which clash which is why I don't think that a completely democratic EU would work.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Jasey again goes on the personal attack and says I have turned this forum into a wasteland, funny really, I recall one former General Manager saying that without me Current Affairs would be removed after a few months. But yet again we've been diverted from the Euro point onto either myself, the Daily Mail or some other side sequence - all because somebody couldn't provide coherant responses here when taken to task over claims they make.

As the saying goes, if you can't stand the heat - stay out of the kitchen.