Ellen DeGeneres Remembers Donna Summer

[Phil]

Alright, so you are openly biased and you didn't read the full thing but commented anyways. I can't say I take that seriously.

Okay, just readd the whole thing, still don't see the problem? I think the writer is just being a bit picky about things he/she doesn't like (Sophia Grace & Rosie). Don't see anything wrong with anything he 'faulted' her on?

[jasey]

Okay, just readd the whole thing, still don't see the problem? I think the writer is just being a bit picky about things he/she doesn't like (Sophia Grace & Rosie). Don't see anything wrong with anything he 'faulted' her on?

If you don't see anything wrong with the inordinate amount of time Ellen puts aside for 'cute' things like puppies and little girls in tutus and has the gall to 'even decide to put a song' by the late defacto Queen of Disco on her show for thirty seconds then I question where your priorities are from my personal point of view. Either way, fair play and I respect your view.

[Phil]

If you don't see anything wrong with the inordinate amount of time Ellen puts aside for 'cute' things like puppies and little girls in tutus and has the gall to 'even decide to put a song' by the late defacto Queen of Disco on her show for thirty seconds then I question where your priorities are from my personal point of view. Either way, fair play and I respect your view.

Oh sorry fair enough I do see where you're coming from but at the same time you have to respect what she does for a lot of people? And if that's stuff people enjoy why not show it?

[Grig]

If you don't see anything wrong with the inordinate amount of time Ellen puts aside for 'cute' things like puppies and little girls in tutus and has the gall to 'even decide to put a song' by the late defacto Queen of Disco on her show for thirty seconds then I question where your priorities are from my personal point of view. Either way, fair play and I respect your view.

She can decide to put a tribute. There was nothing wrong with that. Her show is a comedic chat show. Also, the amount of bias you have posted in this thread in unbelievable. It's as if you have decided to put on a full out propaganda ploy against her simply because she only played a 30 second clip of Summer.

Her show is not based on over-serious tributes to singers but rather on middle-class American women who tune in exactly for that. Be grateful that she found the time to do at least a little something for Summer. If you actually read more about Ellen you'll know that your baseless claims here are utterly false.

[jasey]

She can decide to put a tribute. There was nothing wrong with that. Her show is a comedic chat show. Also, the amount of bias you have posted in this thread in unbelievable. It's as if you have decided to put on a full out propaganda ploy against her simply because she only played a 30 second clip of Summer.

Her show is not based on over-serious tributes to singers but rather on middle-class American women who tune in exactly for that. Be grateful that she found the time to do at least a little something for Summer. If you actually read more about Ellen you'll know that your baseless claims here are utterly false.

Right, you live in the United Kingdom — yes? I don't even think you have been to one of her live tapings. It's fair play to say that she has a 'comedic chat show' and that there isn't room for mopey tributes. Oh, wait, except the two day breakdown (crying segment included) because she had to have a puppy that she had for a couple of weeks taken away from her due to contractual obligations entrusting the dog legally to one person and one person only. Oh, did you miss the part about her taking a week off of taping to 'compose herself'? It isn't a comedic chat show all of the time — when she wants it to be the Ellen soapbox show it seems to change in to that with no problem.

I have watched probably a thousand different episodes of Ellen since the show started. You can get off of your high horse telling me to 'read more about Ellen' when you are the one who I doubt has even spoken to her personally at a taping. My claims are not baseless because they are my opinions. I haven't put anything as fact that isn't true. Do you really think this a propaganda ploy? I am secretly trying to make everyone on a sagging, declining Habbo forum hate Ellen DeGeneres? Get a grip. I can't even take where you are coming from here with respect and, trust me, I am trying quite hard to do so.

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She can decide to put a tribute. There was nothing wrong with that. Her show is a comedic chat show. Also, the amount of bias you have posted in this thread in unbelievable. It's as if you have decided to put on a full out propaganda ploy against her simply because she only played a 30 second clip of Summer.

Her show is not based on over-serious tributes to singers but rather on middle-class American women who tune in exactly for that. Be grateful that she found the time to do at least a little something for Summer. If you actually read more about Ellen you'll know that your baseless claims here are utterly false.

Right, you live in the United Kingdom — yes? I don't even think you have been to one of her live tapings. It's fair play to say that she has a 'comedic chat show' and that there isn't room for mopey tributes. Oh, wait, except the two day breakdown (crying segment included) because she had to have a puppy that she had for a couple of weeks taken away from her due to contractual obligations entrusting the dog legally to one person and one person only. Oh, did you miss the part about her taking a week off of taping to 'compose herself'? It isn't a comedic chat show all of the time — when she wants it to be the Ellen soapbox show it seems to change in to that with no problem.

I have watched probably a thousand different episodes of Ellen since the show started. You can get off of your high horse telling me to 'read more about Ellen' when you are the one who I doubt has even spoken to her personally at a taping. My claims are not baseless because they are my opinions. I haven't put anything as fact that isn't true. Do you really think this a propaganda ploy? I am secretly trying to make everyone on a sagging, declining Habbo forum hate Ellen DeGeneres? Get a grip. I can't even take where you are coming from here with respect and, trust me, I am trying quite hard to do so.

[Grig]

Right, you live in the United Kingdom — yes? I don't even think you have been to one of her live tapings. It's fair play to say that she has a 'comedic chat show' and that there isn't room for mopey tributes. Oh, wait, except the two day breakdown (crying segment included) because she had to have a puppy that she had for a couple of weeks taken away from her due to contractual obligations entrusting the dog legally to one person and one person only. Oh, did you miss the part about her taking a week off of taping to 'compose herself'? It isn't a comedic chat show all of the time — when she wants it to be the Ellen soapbox show it seems to change in to that with no problem.

I have watched probably a thousand different episodes of Ellen since the show started. You can get off of your high horse telling me to 'read more about Ellen' when you are the one who I doubt has even spoken to her personally at a taping. My claims are not baseless because they are my opinions. I haven't put anything as fact that isn't true. Do you really think this a propaganda ploy? I am secretly trying to make everyone on a sagging, declining Habbo forum hate Ellen DeGeneres? Get a grip. I can't even take where you are coming from here with respect and, trust me, I am trying quite hard to do so.

Nope, I don't live in the United Kingdom. This is Ellen. You are not tuned into a serious news or chat show. Don't like her show? No one is asking you to watch it. It is an Ellen soapbox show, that's what it is based upon and her audiences enjoy that, the middle-aged American, white female demographic love it and it works for her. Her interviews and witty and interesting. You are acting as if she has a contractual obligation to honour Donna Summer in an emotional way for a whole hour. Guess what? She's not. Life doesn't revolve about what you think she should and shouldn't do.

They are your opinions, and I respect that but in MY view, very biased ones.

[jasey]

Nope, I don't live in the United Kingdom. This is Ellen. You are not tuned into a serious news or chat show. Don't like her show? No one is asking you to watch it. It is an Ellen soapbox show, that's what it is based upon and her audiences enjoy that, the middle-aged American, white female demographic love it and it works for her. Her interviews and witty and interesting. You are acting as if she has a contractual obligation to honour Donna Summer in an emotional way for a whole hour. Guess what? She's not. Life doesn't revolve about what you think she should and shouldn't do.

They are your opinions, and I respect that but in MY view, very biased ones.

Right, first off, I forgot that you were in Asia — Hong Kong, yes? I think I got you confused with someone else. In any case, you aren't in North America where her media outlet is more pervasive than anywhere else in the world. You contradict yourself and make yourself sound uninformed when you talk about her show. Are you a white, middle-aged, female American? You seem to enjoy the show and I can assure you that there are many others of different ages that tune in regularly. I did and I am certainly not middle-aged nor female. You are right, though, in that her target demographic is the older female. Her show does not target white women, and frankly, I am appalled that you would even mention that. Not only do black women watch more television than white women, but the Ellen show features plenty of content to attract the black and African American demographic. If you were so 'well informed' on the program, you would have noted that. At least, a perceptive person would — especially before running their mouth about who watches Ellen.

Her interview style is undeniably appealing. There is a reason why her show is so successful. I think the problem I have with Ellen is going right over your head. I think she does a very good job at being the 'smiley hour' of daytime television but she must tread very carefully around things like death and memorials. Donna Summer was very important to music and is one of the most successful female artists of all time. If Ellen doesn't feel she will bring in the ratings like Michael Jackson's death does (having his daughter on the show, various tribute pieces) then she should not bother at all. Her musical innovation is preserved all the same in the National Recording Registry as Jackson's. She wasn't a passing flame and her career spanned over forty years of activity. Ellen was simply disrespectful in this case and it is okay for people to have a problem with that.

Like I said before, she wasn't so optimistic and kind before it starting bringing in ratings and bigger paycheques. Watching the seasons of her talk show is like watching someone increase their fake smiles over ten seasons tenfold. I doubt she is the same on camera as she is off camera and, in this case, it shows. She made a bad move.

[Grig]

Right, first off, I forgot that you were in Asia — Hong Kong, yes? I think I got you confused with someone else. In any case, you aren't in North America where her media outlet is more pervasive than anywhere else in the world. You contradict yourself and make yourself sound uninformed when you talk about her show. Are you a white, middle-aged, female American? You seem to enjoy the show and I can assure you that there are many others of different ages that tune in regularly. I did and I am certainly not middle-aged nor female. You are right, though, in that her target demographic is the older female. Her show does not target white women, and frankly, I am appalled that you would even mention that. Not only do black women watch more television than white women, but the Ellen show features plenty of content to attract the black and African American demographic. If you were so 'well informed' on the program, you would have noted that. At least, a perceptive person would — especially before running their mouth about who watches Ellen.

Her interview style is undeniably appealing. There is a reason why her show is so successful. I think the problem I have with Ellen is going right over your head. I think she does a very good job at being the 'smiley hour' of daytime television but she must tread very carefully around things like death and memorials. Donna Summer was very important to music and is one of the most successful female artists of all time. If Ellen doesn't feel she will bring in the ratings like Michael Jackson's death does (having his daughter on the show, various tribute pieces) then she should not bother at all. Her musical innovation is preserved all the same in the National Recording Registry as Jackson's. She wasn't a passing flame and her career spanned over forty years of activity. Ellen was simply disrespectful in this case and it is okay for people to have a problem with that.

Like I said before, she wasn't so optimistic and kind before it starting bringing in ratings and bigger paycheques. Watching the seasons of her talk show is like watching someone increase their fake smiles over ten seasons tenfold. I doubt she is the same on camera as she is off camera and, in this case, it shows. She made a bad move.

Maybe that is why then. I am basing this on her episodes two years ago or so, lots have probably changed since then . I did say predominant demographic and I am sure you will find that it is her predominant demographic.

Sadly it's true but Donna Summer to some wasn't considered as big. That's not me denying that she was big. I can ask my parents who she is and they wouldn't know, but Michael Jackson was worldwide and had number 1s nearly everywhere in the world, people everywhere were impersonating the moonwalk back in his time.

[jasey]

I was never talking about popularity but rather influence on a certain genre. There are songwriters, producers and artists who most couldn't name but have had huge influence on modern music. People think Beyoncé's Single Ladies dance was her creation. It was heavily, incredibly and undeniably borrowed from the choreography of Bob Fosse. In the same vein, Donna Summer is called the 'Queen of Disco' for a reason. Disco may not be popular now but she certainly was the predominant female artist in the genre that ruled the charts for such a long time. Again, career pushing half a century full of activity is nothing to scoff at.

On that note, I think we have both made our points and I understand how you see things. I can appreciate Ellen for what she does but it really bangs my head in when people act like she is the model human being. A big reason why Ellen barely scraped through a season as a judge on 'American Idol' was that her television personality didn't blend as well there. The way she acted there seemed much more fake in a judge's chair than it did on a sofa. I guess I am not surprised that I am put off by the tweet she made. What bothers me is that others aren't and I will deal with that on my own.

[Grig]

I was never talking about popularity but rather influence on a certain genre. There are songwriters, producers and artists who most couldn't name but have had huge influence on modern music. People think Beyoncé's Single Ladies dance was her creation. It was heavily, incredibly and undeniably borrowed from the choreography of Bob Fosse. In the same vein, Donna Summer is called the 'Queen of Disco' for a reason. Disco may not be popular now but she certainly was the predominant female artist in the genre that ruled the charts for such a long time. Again, career pushing half a century full of activity is nothing to scoff at.

On that note, I think we have both made our points and I understand how you see things. I can appreciate Ellen for what she does but it really bangs my head in when people act like she is the model human being. A big reason why Ellen barely scraped through a season as a judge on 'American Idol' was that her television personality didn't blend as well there. The way she acted there seemed much more fake in a judge's chair than it did on a sofa. I guess I am not surprised that I am put off by the tweet she made. What bothers me is that others aren't and I will deal with that on my own.

I am in agreement about American Idol. She just couldn't give critiques and she even stated herself that she couldn't. Nor was she an expert of the music industry.

Also, much of what you see in the music industry/charts today isn't original material but rather stuff which is ripped off. That's why mainstream music just isn't as good nowadays.