4 people die in another shooting in Aurora, Colorado

[-:Undertaker:-]

Omgz another shooting! in a country of 300m+ people. There was a shooting in Switzerland the other day (a country with low gun crime but lax gun laws) and there are thousands of shootings in the likes of Mexico everyday - a country which has essentially banned guns.

So what does that prove? bugger all.

This wouldn't happen if we had more guns!!!1! (obvious sarcasm)

Who's arguing for more guns? I don't see anyone making that argument.

Yes guns!!! IF WE HAD GUNS TO DEFEND OURSELVES WE COULD SHOOT THEM FIRST!!!! LIBERTYYYYYYY!!!

You know what, you've convinced me. It's totally right that the government takes all of our guns away even though 99.9% of gun owners follow the law and are responsible. Totally right, I mean you've got to sacrifice liberty for safety right?

So what's next on our list then? because you (and the state) know best. Here's some suggestions..

- Ban salt from restaurants like in New York or introduce salt quotas immediately so that we stop the health epidemic that's resulted from people intaking too much salt - not only that, it'll save public health services a fortune.

- Introduce tough new restrictions on the internet so that we can combat fraud and child grooming easier - sure it'll mean a curtailing of our freedoms and state involvement in the internet, but it's saving people right?

- Ban drugs. A total ban on drugs, maybe even alcohol and smoking - just think of the money that'll be saved in public health costs if we banned alcohol. I mean sure, we won't be able to go for a drink anymore and people who are caught with booze will go to prison; but it's saving lives right?

- Ban frosted cereals (see news today). Does cereal really need to be coated in sugar? certainly not, it leads to bad dental hygiene and in many cases child obseity. Just THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!

- Make cycling helmets compulsory. Sure it might put you off cycling, but imagine if you fall and hurt your head? you could even end up dead. Better safe than sorry, so let's enforce a law forcing people to wear cycling helmets.

- Introducing licenses for ownership of large knives. I mean, we all need to use knives - but surely we need a regulated system where criminals won't manage to get hold of knives? together, we can end knife crime in this country!!

- Abolish innocence before guilt is proven. Along with jury trial. I mean, we can't be messing around with jurys and peoples rights when we face such an imminent terrorist threat right? let's just introduce secret courts, honestly, it's for your own good.

Yeah, I mean who needs liberty? just let the state take care of it all.

Disclaimer to the reader: these proposals are highly contagious to control freaks who will seek to enforce on others.

[Kardan]

Who's arguing for more guns? I don't see anyone making that argument.



You know what, you've convinced me. It's totally right that the government takes all of our guns away even though 99.9% of gun owners follow the law and are responsible. Totally right, I mean you've got to sacrifice liberty for safety right?

So what's next on our list then? because you (and the state) know best. Here's some suggestions..

- Ban salt from restaurants like in New York or introduce salt quotas immediately so that we stop the health epidemic that's resulted from people intaking too much salt - not only that, it'll save public health services a fortune.

- Introduce tough new restrictions on the internet so that we can combat fraud and child grooming easier - sure it'll mean a curtailing of our freedoms and state involvement in the internet, but it's saving people right?

- Ban drugs. A total ban on drugs, maybe even alcohol and smoking - just think of the money that'll be saved in public health costs if we banned alcohol. I mean sure, we won't be able to go for a drink anymore and people who are caught with booze will go to prison; but it's saving lives right?

- Ban frosted cereals (see news today). Does cereal really need to be coated in sugar? certainly not, it leads to bad dental hygiene and in many cases child obseity. Just THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!

- Make cycling helmets compulsory. Sure it might put you off cycling, but imagine if you fall and hurt your head? you could even end up dead. Better safe than sorry, so let's enforce a law forcing people to wear cycling helmets.

- Introducing licenses for ownership of large knives. I mean, we all need to use knives - but surely we need a regulated system where criminals won't manage to get hold of knives? together, we can end knife crime in this country!!

- Abolish innocence before guilt is proven. Along with jury trial. I mean, we can't be messing around with jurys and peoples rights when we face such an imminent terrorist threat right? let's just introduce secret courts, honestly, it's for your own good.

Yeah, I mean who needs liberty? just let the state take care of it all.

Disclaimer to the reader: these proposals are highly contagious to control freaks who will seek to enforce on others.

Ban alcohol and smoking, sure go for it. Cycling helmets compulsory, yep. Everything elses main purpose isn't to kill or heavily injure, like a gun, so banning them would be over the top.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Ban alcohol and smoking, sure go for it. Cycling helmets compulsory, yep. Everything elses main purpose isn't to kill or heavily injure, like a gun, so banning them would be over the top.

Ey and the internet too, can't pick and choose... we all deserve protection from Big Brother. *misty eyes*

Whether the purpose to kill isn't the point - unless your saying you are against self defence?

If you want to save lives by banning guns, then all other proposals which save lives should also be adopted.

....to which my response to any state implementing any of the above is, piss off out of my life.

[Chippiewill]

You know what, you've convinced me. It's totally right that the government takes all of our guns away even though 99.9% of gun owners follow the law and are responsible. Totally right, I mean you've got to sacrifice liberty for safety right?.

Under the same logic nuclear weapons should be legal and everyone should be allowed a tank since 99.99% of people wouldn't use them to do bad things. Assuming you're not insane and realise this is of course ridiculous then all we're debating is details and your point is moot.

[Ardemax]

Under the same logic nuclear weapons should be legal and everyone should be allowed a tank since 99.99% of people wouldn't use them to do bad things. Assuming you're not insane and realise this is of course ridiculous then all we're debating is details and your point is moot.

As crazy as this sounds you have a point. They can be used, to some extent, as self defense. And who would want to take away our God-damn liberties?!!

[Kardan]

Under the same logic nuclear weapons should be legal and everyone should be allowed a tank since 99.99% of people wouldn't use them to do bad things. Assuming you're not insane and realise this is of course ridiculous then all we're debating is details and your point is moot.

I'll take Mustard Gas as my weapon of choice, I think that will repel anyone that tries to break in.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Under the same logic nuclear weapons should be legal and everyone should be allowed a tank since 99.99% of people wouldn't use them to do bad things. Assuming you're not insane and realise this is of course ridiculous then all we're debating is details and your point is moot.

Nobody is arguing for weapons of mass destruction nor are they arguing for crazy weapons to be legalised - a great propaganda trick has been played on people (and because you're all naive, you take it hook line and sinker) where because it looks like an automatic machine gun... people think it's an automatic machine gun. The nozzle/extras that are put on guns in the US don't make them anymore dangerous, they're there for safety/performance reasons. The vast majority of people use guns safety and sensibly either for sport or self defence; the 0.01% you hear of are the criminals.

Don't punish the law abiding and disarm them against madmen.

[Kardan]

Nobody is arguing for weapons of mass destruction nor are they arguing for crazy weapons to be legalised - a great propaganda trick has been played on people (and because you're all naive, you take it hook line and sinker) where because it looks like an automatic machine gun... people think it's an automatic machine gun. The nozzle/extras that are put on guns in the US don't make them anymore dangerous, they're there for safety/performance reasons. The vast majority of people use guns safety and sensibly either for sport or self defence; the 0.01% you hear of are the criminals.

Don't punish the law abiding and disarm them against madmen.

The vast majority of people that use smallpox (they'll be scientists) are law abiding, does that give me the right to legalise the use of injecting people with smallpox as self defence?

Same argument with nuclear missiles, pretty sure everyone that is using them at the moment are being legal with them...

[-:Undertaker:-]

The vast majority of people that use smallpox (they'll be scientists) are law abiding, does that give me the right to legalise the use of injecting people with smallpox as self defence?

Same argument with nuclear missiles, pretty sure everyone that is using them at the moment are being legal with them...

A gun doesn't have the ability to kill masses of masses of people into the hundreds or thousands, silly.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...type=1&theater

Thankfully the Second Amendment protects free citizens from people such as yourself and President Obama.

[Kardan]

A gun doesn't have the ability to kill masses of masses of people into the hundreds or thousands, silly.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...type=1&theater

Thankfully the Second Amendment protects free citizens from people such as yourself and President Obama.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II