Germany, France and Spain tell Cameron: there is no room for negotiation on Europe

[Chippiewill]

"UK: In or Out of the European Union?
In - Britain should remain a member of the EU.
Out - Britain should leave the EU."

I do hope that you won't be the one wording a referendum on Europe.

[Callum.]

I'd probably vote in if I had to vote now. I haven't researched it enough to be able to weigh up what we could potentially lose/gain. I think there's things that appear to be a gain on the surface but won't end up that way. There is many things that I don't like about the union though. Gunna have a look further into it now.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Just been doing some searching around online, and it seems in other polls it's pretty much neck and neck with 'Stay in the EU' just winning it in most cases. So if we do get a referendum, it will be very interesting to see which one actually comes out on top, I must admit, I didn't expect it to be so close...

Also, I found out that if Cameron does win the next election in 2015, we will have to wait until 2017 for the referendum...

The recent polls are actually still giving Out a lead of 5% to 10%, the poll in the New Year by YouGov (which is the one I suspect you've picked up on) upped the In vote by changing the methodology in that the poll wasn't carried out in the same way the others were.

The gap has narrowed though over recent weeks, but thats expected with the amount of scare stories we've had from the CBI, Heseltine, Blair, Mandelson and Clarke. Why people believe that lot, a bunch who told us economic disaster awaited us if we didn't joint the Euro back in 2000, I honestly have no idea.

and I can say the same for Britain.

Although I'm not a fan of how controlling the EU has become, there would be no clear winner wherever this result went. It could be haphazard for the economy in terms of trade flow with EU countries. The pound has lost some value already once this was announced.

It's hard to predict the exact effects and we still all are speculating. One thing I can say is Cameron is a complete and utter incompetent idiot, to make markets and the country's future volatile for the next 2 odd years simply as a tool of protection from the UKIP. It's making himself look more like an fool.

The Pound Sterling losing value has had nothing to do with this issue, as on the NewsNight debate it was made clear by business leader David Tsung that medium sized business actually doesn't care whether we're in or out - all they mostly care about is that the ability to access European markets - something that in the event of us leaving is 100% assured by the process of Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty.

"UK: In or Out of the European Union?
In - Britain should remain a member of the EU.
Out - Britain should leave the EU."

I do hope that you won't be the one wording a referendum on Europe.

That's a pretty neutral question in line with recommendations on the Scottish referendum, what else do you suggest? My ideal question, based on the reality of it, would be something along the lines of "The European Union is committed to a process of 'ever closer Union' - should the United Kingdom follow this route? YES/NO"

It's a simple in or out question.

I'd probably vote in if I had to vote now. I haven't researched it enough to be able to weigh up what we could potentially lose/gain. I think there's things that appear to be a gain on the surface but won't end up that way. There is many things that I don't like about the union though. Gunna have a look further into it now.

Well, on the economics of the question i'd advise a watch of this debate on NewsNight. And for a documentary on the history of 'the project' itself, i'd recommend this.

Any questions on any of it i'd be happy to try and answer - for every person I convince it's another step towards our independence.

[BreakfastBacon]

♫I WANT TO BREAK FREE♫

at least i voted that tbh i know nothing of politics

Edited by Lee (Forum Super Moderator): Please don't post pointlessly.

[Grig]

The Pound Sterling losing value has had nothing to do with this issue, as on the NewsNight debate it was made clear by business leader David Tsung that medium sized business actually doesn't care whether we're in or out - all they mostly care about is that the ability to access European markets - something that in the event of us leaving is 100% assured by the process of Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty.

Short-term it does. Currencies are often controlled by some head honchos that are not in medium-sized business. Although I'm making a sweeping statement here, short-term the pound sterling did react to it negatively. The point is not whether or not the UK will leave the EU, but the fact that Mr. Cameron being the utterly smart gentleman he is, has put years of uncertainty over British political, social and fundamentally economic future in doubt over political tricks. One does not simply leave the country hanging until the next election solely for political gain, whatever the outcome may be.