Oscar Pistorius charged with Murder

[Cerys]

Yeah, but can they prove the mens rea?

[Kardan]

Considering there's witness accounts of there being shouting and arguing before the gunshots were heard, I doubt he mistook her for an intruder.

[Cerys]

Ooh, didn't realise that there were arguments etc beforehand. Yeah, convicted of murder then xP

Could use loss of control

[FlyingJesus]

It's a pretty major loss of control to shoot your girlfriend 4 times in your own house, I mean it's obv not gonna go down at premeditated but still

[Cerys]

Yeah ^

If I was him I'd use Loss of Control. Them arguing was the qualifying trigger. Not too sure if a person of his age and sex would have responded similar/the same in that situation though, so that could get them to refuse to accept that defence.

Anyway, pretty terrible what happened.

[GommeInc]

Yeah, but can they prove the mens rea?

Shooting someone four times? Yeah, they can You can't "accidentally" shoot someone that many times. He's blatantly guilty going by that information (if it's true). He can't argue loss of control either, because he was in control to use a gun and shoot that many times if we are to assume the argument happened without a gun in hand - if he had picked it up mid argument then it's not loss of control, because he's picking up the weapon to use it in an argument. Loss of control would be arguing with a gun in hand and accidentally shooting it once. It seems so unlikely though going by the details (and if they are correct).

On a separate note, he seemed a bit of a creep at the Olympics/Paralympics. He had serious anger issues back then :/

[Teabags]

They'll go for murder. He shot her 4times fgs

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thought she got shot twice, in the head and the arm?

she was in his house at like 4-5am, thought it was a valentines surprise.

[Zak]

thought she got shot twice, in the head and the arm?

she was in his house at like 4-5am, thought it was a valentines surprise.

4 times I read. Police statement never mentioned Valentines surprise or being mistaken for an intruder?

If he is guilty, lock him up for good.

[Cerys]

Shooting someone four times? Yeah, they can You can't "accidentally" shoot someone that many times. He's blatantly guilty going by that information (if it's true). He can't argue loss of control either, because he was in control to use a gun and shoot that many times if we are to assume the argument happened without a gun in hand - if he had picked it up mid argument then it's not loss of control, because he's picking up the weapon to use it in an argument. Loss of control would be arguing with a gun in hand and accidentally shooting it once. It seems so unlikely though going by the details (and if they are correct).

On a separate note, he seemed a bit of a creep at the Olympics/Paralympics. He had serious anger issues back then :/

No - Loss of control can cover this. It doesn't have to be an accident to be loss of control. The qualifying trigger was them arguing etc, then he could have snapped and shot.

[Catchy]

Couldn't of been a 'mistake' it's actually really hard to pull a trigger so he would've known he was.