Labour betrayed its most loyal working-class supporters. And it doesn't even care.

[FlyingJesus]

So why are you mentioning race? I didn't feel the need to mention it, why did you? to smear, thats why.

Do you just choose not to read things that you don't like? It's been stated again and again that race and culture do correlate (which even you agreed on) and it's only still coming up because you decided that race has "nothing to do with it" when it very clearly does. It's nothing to do with smears, I'll leave that to you with your "white Worthing" nonsense

Oh dear, completely wrong. Borders are not simply 'geographical areas of law'

Yes they are

what is law shaped by Tom? it's shaped by a culture - the religion, its morality, its shared values and beliefs. If areas where simply areas of law and political authority, then they would have no problem merging into one another. Yet, if you are sensible you realise that Saudi Arabia and Britain cannot be under the same legal and political system because the cultures, beliefs, religion and shared values are so different to one another.

No-one's suggesting that they should be, and no-one's suggesting that we change any laws to accommodate for immigrants. If people wish to act in certain "different" ways that's fine, as long as they keep it within the law

Some people may love it, sure. A lot don't like living in areas where women are wearing heavy veils, where men stare and where everybody is speaking in a different language other than your own. It alienates people. Do you 'get' that?

A lot of people don't like cars, a lot of people don't like men, a lot of people don't like meat, a lot of people don't like going outside. I feel alienated if I see a group of muscular gentlemen in tight vests but I don't try telling them to change their life to suit me. Yes I get that some people are unaccepting of others, no I don't think that should be basis for law

How about some concern for people who have lived in areas all their lives which have now changed beyond belief?

BAN CHANGE. INNOVATION AND ADAPTATION ARE SINS. I think you should read Brave New World you'd like it; everyone is the same and new things aren't allowed in case they upset people

The country did and does have a monoculture. Did we have large areas back in the pre-war era where people didn't speak English and kept mostly to themselves?

Yes

did we have local government being so pandering that benefit and welfare forms are now printed in various languages? no, we didn't - because the mantra was you can come here but you have to become a part of the society.

No, because we didn't have socialist governments. I'm far from a fan of socialism but you can't compare two forms of governance and act surprised that things are different

Thats a normal person talking, somebody who is half Polish. She understands, why don't you?

People illegally camping on her land I don't agree with, but that's an issue of law-breaking. The rest is baseless overexaggeration ("hardly any locals") or again not actually anything to do with immigration - hospitals being understaffed in a town that's grown by nearly 16% overall population in the last 10 years is funnily enough a problem of people not adapting to change

Yes I do know what the majority of people are thinking as I look at the polls dear, thats why immigration ranks as one of the top issues next to the economy as a concern for people - and thats why 'white flight' is taking place in many inner-city areas.

These are polls that everyone in the entire country has entered into right? As opposed to tiny selections taken mostly by people who have strong opinions on the matters in the first place?

I don't know how to explain it more simple than this really - people like living amongst their own kind. When I say own kind, I don't mean race - I mean living amongst neighbours that you can chat over the garden fence to. Being able to talk to shop keepers in your own language, to people on the bus. That sort of thing, you know, a community.

Yeah that's especially noticeable with the millions of inner-city dwellers who don't even know their neighbours and don't care what they do as long as they keep the noise down

It's this ignorant and out of touch attitude that you are displaying that is the reason why many turn to extreme parties (the BNP) in areas like this - because all of their concerns about being alienated and utterly swamped in their own home are simply dismissed by people like you and the political class as being 'bigoted' or 'in the past'. I happen to think community and a sense of nationhood isn't in the past.

Then embrace the growing community and understand that our nationhood is built up of the everything we've taken from the world. I hardly think acceptance of peoples' lifestyles is an ignorant and out of touch attitude, whereas gung-ho "keep 'em out" attitudes certainly are

Immigration however is something that ought to be decided by the public and as its something that affects cutural change, it ought to be taken into account. Today we are a functioning democracy and nation state that ought to require consent for people coming to settle here - the fact you are using invasions from 1066 to justify immigration speaks for itself.

Yeah how dare I use history to talk about what kind of country we are, only you are allowed to do that I apologise

Then obviously you're not getting out more, I live within the city and i'll often chat with people or shopkeepers (in my own language, cos thats how ya like talk to people yeah?) or even smile as people walk past. I'll be posting an interesting account in this forum after i've replied to this detailing somebody who feels alienated where they live, it'd be interesting to see what you make of it.

"or are trying to buy/sell something". If you stop a random person on the street and try to strike up a conversation chances are they'll go home and tell their family about the weirdo pretending to be their friend

Or maybe you'll just reply arrogantly, whilst sitting in multicultural Worthing, with a 'get over it, change happens'.

Yeah maybe, or perhaps I'll instead respond with logic and reason as I have done all along rather than lie about the nation's past, suggest that not fitting in is a crime, and pretend I speak for the entire country on matters that are hugely divided

So immigration should be cut down or not? it's a simple question.

I believe there ought to be more stringent regulation on it, yes, but it's your method of coming to that conclusion that I find unjustified rather than the conclusion itself, as I said before. It's an extremely important distinction because doing something right for the wrong reasons allows for wrongdoing in the future in the name of those falsities

I didn't say i'd impose laws to stop people living in certain ways, I make the case that immigration should be controlled in small numbers so what it encourages people indirectly to adopt and integrate with the home culture of Britain.

Now is that outlandish and too hard to understand? or is that what most nations around the world want and encourage?

Actually I think most nations are probably too poor to care what you do in your spare time as long as you bring money in and don't break the law

[AgnesIO]

In response to Dan, no one is disputing whether immigration should be more controlled.

However I personally disagree it should be completely stopped...

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