ACTUAL news: House of Lords vote 390 to 148 in favour of gay marriage

[Aiden]

ohhh

is there a list of which lords voted for what?

[-:Undertaker:-]

You mean the Christian text which explicitly states that we ought not live by Levitican law?

Nobody says the Bible all should be taken literally, but you have to reach a point where morality (which inherantly discriminates against somebody or something by its nature) has to be defended - which is the entire point of the Church. I would personally say we, or Christians rather, reached a suitable biblical level of compromise in the 1900s to 1950s - for example, tolerating homosexuality and treating with respect but still realising homosexuality is against Christian teachings and therefore should certainly not be encouraged by the Church and more so discouraged.

The fact is that you hold socially liberal views on morality and all that, and that's fine - but many do not (Christians, social conservatives, muslims even) and therefore are completely puzzled when their Church won't even properly come out against acts such as this. And again, that's why CoE members are flocking to the RCC which actually seems to have a bit of backbone.

[FlyingJesus]

The entire point of the church is bigotry based on nothing whatsoever in opposition to its own holy book?

Homosexuality is NOT against Christian teachings - at least not against any that should actually exist in terms of scriptural evidence. Love that you said that Christians ought to read the Bible and then when it was pointed out that the Bible doesn't hold your beliefs at all you turned around and said it shouldn't be read literally

[Aiden]

lol just saying i dont see why god ppl care
they dont have to marry someone of the same sex
just chill, dont watch most tv shows cuz they are full of gays
and defo dont watch xfactor

[-:Undertaker:-]

The entire point of the church is bigotry based on nothing whatsoever in opposition to its own holy book?

Homosexuality is NOT against Christian teachings - at least not against any that should actually exist in terms of scriptural evidence. Love that you said that Christians ought to read the Bible and then when it was pointed out that the Bible doesn't hold your beliefs at all you turned around and said it shouldn't be read literally

Homosexuality is condemned by the Bible time after time throughout, and even if you doubt the Bible is the word of God then it's still inherant in Christian culture of the past few hundred or even thousands of years - and that's why social conservatives and Christians believe it to be wrong on grounds of morality (and thats not even mentioning biology, health or nature). The point is, you obviously agree with policies and broadly beliefs such as this gay marriage - but Christians and social conservatives do not, and therefore are mighty pissed off when their supposed Conservative Party or Church of England haven't even got the backbone to come out strongly against this.

Neither are fit for purpose anymore.

[MKR&*42]

ohhh

is there a list of which lords voted for what?

I don't actually know, I'm not too sure their names get recorded with the vote.

You'd have to look around online for it .

[Aiden]

I don't actually know, I'm not too sure their names get recorded with the vote.

You'd have to look around online for it .

Okay lol

jw is Alan Sugar one of them people? a lord lol :S
I know his names Lord but yeah not sure
and i wanted to see what he voted for
i tried google but no luck :-)
i bet he said yes 2 it anyway cuz it dont seem 2 have problems with gay ppl on his show
but i think hes a jew lol and i just know they are god ppl so i guess he hates them 2
i duno

[FlyingJesus]

Homosexuality is condemned by the Bible time after time throughout

Feel free to point out any New Covenant law which states this, as from a scholarly point of view (ie: one from someone who's actually read the text) it's agreed that the New Covenant erases Mosaic law, and so any condemnation of homosexuality in the Old Testament is or should be nullified from an educated Christian viewpoint. Ignorance is not an answer as to why things ought to be

[lemons]

Okay lol

jw is Alan Sugar one of them people? a lord lol :S
I know his names Lord but yeah not sure
and i wanted to see what he voted for
i tried google but no luck :-)
i bet he said yes 2 it anyway cuz it dont seem 2 have problems with gay ppl on his show
but i think hes a jew lol and i just know they are god ppl so i guess he hates them 2
i duno

o m g

Edited by Matts (Forum Super Moderator): Please don't post pointlessly.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Feel free to point out any New Covenant law which states this, as from a scholarly point of view (ie: one from someone who's actually read the text) it's agreed that the New Covenant erases Mosaic law, and so any condemnation of homosexuality in the Old Testament is or should be nullified from an educated Christian viewpoint. Ignorance is not an answer as to why things ought to be

I said earlier a lot is based on culture and customs of the past few hundred to thousand years. The Bible is more or less a rough guide if you will. Either way even if you think the Church ought to debate changing stance on homosexuality - it should be done on the grounds of educated theological debate like you've put forward against customs and values that I side towards rather than what the Church of England does which is change stance purely in the hope that thousands of social liberals will come flocking into the Churches once it does. The CoE needs to learn that social liberals will never attend in great numbers just as the Tory Party needs to understand it will never gain the votes from those on the left.

Perhaps a modern day split is needed in the CoE, with the likes of Rowan Williams and Justin Welby in the liberal 'Church' (which stands for nothingness) and the likes of Carey and Desmond Tutu in the other - and we'll see which one social conservatives and Christians flock to. It's not hard to guess which one.