Computer and printer prices to rise in EU because you can print copywritten stuff

[Chippiewill]

USA worked out pretty well, why not USE?

[-:Undertaker:-]

USA worked out pretty well, why not USE?

USA has a single monoculture (language, culture etc) that binds it together along with a shared history of rebellion against the former British Empire. The USA started from nothingness and thus was easier to shape and mold at the beginning as opposed to Europe with the history of the likes of Britain, Germany and France spanning back more than a thousand years. The concept of a country called Europe is as absurd and unworkable as the concept of a country called Asia or Africa.

Besides, Britain has worked out pretty well - and so has France.. so why even consider their abolition?

[Chippiewill]

USA has a single monoculture (language, culture etc) that binds it together along with a shared history of rebellion against the former British Empire. The USA started from nothingness and thus was easier to shape and mold at the beginning as opposed to Europe with the history of the likes of Britain, Germany and France spanning back more than a thousand years.

USA certainly has one language, a single culture? Not really.

The concept of a country called Europe is as absurd and unworkable as the concept of a country called Asia or Africa.

You're saying because it doesn't sound like a country it couldn't be one?

Besides, Britain has worked out pretty well - and so has France.. so why even consider their abolition?

Increasing global competition, Britain is a very small island.

[-:Undertaker:-]

USA certainly has one language, a single culture? Not really.

Yes it does, sure there are some differences across the country (just as there are between Yorkshire and Scotland) but they are broadly united in language, culture, politics, law and so on. There exists an American people simply because they feel it.

You're saying because it doesn't sound like a country it couldn't be one?

No, i'm saying that simply because the USA has 'America' (the name of a continent) in it doesn't mean the same system of government is applicable to every other continent which is why (if you follow history and current affairs) you'd see how absurd the concept of a US of Africa or US of Asia is when you take into account the massive differences between the countries on those continents.

A lot of people forget after all that North America (the continent) is home to 23 vastly different countries, not just one [the US]. In the same way that the continent of Europe is home to 50 or so vastly different countries.

Increasing global competition, Britain is a very small island.

Since when did geography or even population determine economic results? just ask Singapore.

Besides, the last time I checked Britain was in the top 10 global economies and is expected to remain in the top 20 by 2050.

[Chippiewill]

Yes it does, sure there are some differences across the country (just as there are between Yorkshire and Scotland) but they are broadly united in language, culture, politics, law and so on. There exists an American people simply because they feel it.

Have you ever been to America? You get the kind of cultural differences the UK has within states. Different states are radically different.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Have you ever been to America? You get the kind of cultural differences the UK has within states. Different states are radically different.

I don't dispute that, just as London may be 'radically' different when compared with Northern Ireland. The point is, people still feel the same enough to form the concept of a Britain or an America whereas people do not feel the same way in Europe - which is why there exists no European demos and therefore there cannot exist a European nation.

And politicians signing treaties, denying us a say and hiding the true intentions of the EU won't bring it about either. Infact they'll do the opposite.

[Calum0812]

This is almost as good as some of Apple's lawsuits.
Really is stupid. As touched on in the quote, they may aswell sue pencil and pen makers too...

[dbgtz]

This is almost as good as some of Apple's lawsuits.
Really is stupid. As touched on in the quote, they may aswell sue pencil and pen makers too...

They should just try and censor the inter- oh.

I don't think these people understand real criminals, in general, don't just pop down to the local shop to get what they need.

[Calum0812]

They should just try and censor the inter- oh.

I don't think these people understand real criminals, in general, don't just pop down to the local shop to get what they need.

Exactly. Can you imagine the issues that will arise now 3D printing is becoming a reality too (on a consumer level)?

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/...eryone-can-use

[Ardemax]

As i've said before, this is why I oppose EU decisions even when they 'benefit' us with cheaper services or goods (which they usually don't as companies recover costs in other ways anyway, but yeah for arguments sake) - because whether the EU takes a good or a bad decision in your view, the point is that that decision should be taken at a national level in our sovereign parliament which is accountable to the electorate as opposed to the European Commission which is accountable to no one.

One point in regards to the last bit of your quote, if we are capable of making our own decisions then why is it down to the EU to pass them?

Like why haven't our government made laws like this before or made any of the laws considered "well thought out" by the EU?