Fmr Labour Home Secretary, David Blunkett, warns Roma immigration 'could cause riots'

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There'll still be a few wanting to come over here, doesn't mean the rest will.

As they said in 2004.

If you read a bunch of articles and books describing immigration as impending doom then I imagine they'd all say that. However as someone who doesn't go out of their way to read articles focussed on portraying immigration as the devils spawn, no I don't think I or most of the population have heard it described as such.

Much of the population wants immigration limited hence why it ranks as one of the top voter concerns in the polling carried out. You wanting open borders with Romania and Bulgaria? your the one in the minority mate, not me.

100,000 give or take.

So where did you get those figures from and what makes you confident these figures are correct this time given that last time 13,000 were predicted and 800,000 came? What is the timeframe for these figures? What are the crime statistics for the estimated number of people to come in?

Did you know that the former head of the Met Police plastic and cheque crime department for example has stated that 92% of ATM crimes in London are committed by Romanian nationals? Also as Fact Check says here, there have been 20,000 arrests of Romanian nationals.

Then maybe eastern european workers are better. It's a free market after all. You're not against free markets.. are you?

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"You cannot simultaneously have a welfare state and free immigration." - Free market advocate and economist, Milton Friedman

But you know, you've just suggested Romanian nationals may be better. Maybe that's true. But how can they know that a foreign national is better for the job when they haven't given given British people the chance to apply and go for an interview?

It really is no wonder that people turn to extreme groups like the EDL and BNP with this awful attitude you and the three main parties display which you portray British workers as all lazy and not wanting to work. It simply isn't the case.

Extremely misleading article which seems to be purposefully conflating "Roma" with "Romanian" despite the former actually being a culture of mostly Indian descent with more Romani people living in Spain (whoops yep looks like they would go there after all) than Romania or Bulgaria.

As for "treasure island" the only evidence I can find of Britain ever being named as such is to do with car dealerships making a lot of money on imports... also Shakespeare very often alluded to England as a place full of madmen and murderous kings in his plays, guess we all better do a runner before we get executed huh

Roma to my knowledge have Romanian citizenship dear, thus are included in the estimates. The question is of those who are in Romania and face poor treatment - are they going to come here?

Do you not agree with me that the borders should at least not be opened to avoid the same scenario that we had in 2004 when the government predicted 13,000 a year and it ended up around the 800,000 mark over a period of 5 or six years?

So when all the people from Romania and Bulgaria come over, which countries will we moan about next?

Well our stupid politicians next think it'll be a good idea to open the borders to 80m Turks.

[PinkSocks]

"I just know"...

.. been reading the Daily Mail or actually looked into research on the subject?

Lets face it do you know many people who want to emmigrate from England to Romania and Bulgaria, when the Borders opened to Eastern Europeans (Poland etc.) we saw an influx of 800,000 economic migrants, 500,000 of which from Poland all looking for work in a country with high unemployment. I dont think we can endure another mass migration.

[AgnesIO]

Lets face it do you know many people who want to emmigrate from England to Romania and Bulgaria, when the Borders opened to Eastern Europeans (Poland etc.) we seen an influx of 800,000 economic migrants, 500,000 of which from Poland all looking for work in a country with high unemployment. I dont think we can endure another mass migration.

Tell you what, the people who do leave from England to Bulgaria etc will make an absolute fortune if they are smart. I think it is about time the British stopped complaining and asking WHY British firms are employing Eastern Europeans. It isn't simply to do with pay; I've talked to farmers who say they WANT to employ British people, but they then question why on earth would they British people MORE money who will then put in very little effort. I got a job after an 8 month search; but now coming to the end of this job I've been told if I EVER want to go back I will have a job, if I EVER need a reference I can contact the manager directly; this is down to my work ethic - something too many British people lack, whilst they continually moan about the "bloody Eastern Europeans".

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I think your signature may be too big too.

[PinkSocks]

Its not all down to jobs, I would like to recommend a documentary to you that aired on bbc two (it was called here come the poles). It shows the other problems that new languages have caused in schools, we spend extra money hiring translators in schools, doctors practices, alongside police officers, in the documentary you see a school where only one child speaks English as their first language. Its a fact that the Romania and Bulgaria will see more of the benefits than we will, im sorry to tell you.

[AgnesIO]

Its not all down to jobs, I would like to recommend a documentary to you that aired on bbc two (it was called here come the poles). It shows the other problems that new languages have caused in schools, we spend extra money hiring translators in schools, doctors practices, alongside police officers, in the documentary you see a school where only one child speaks English as their first language. Its a fact that the Romania and Bulgaria will see more of the benefits than we will, im sorry to tell you.

I replied to your post about jobs, now you're saying it isn't all about jobs... in all seriousness, there is NOTHING that states we have to have school signs in Polish or Arabic etc - it is ridiculous that we do this, and I totally agree it should be stopped.

Do you want me to tell you another fact? Eastern European immigrants have paid MORE into our tax system than they have ever taken out, and it is about time people started recognising the benefits they bring AS WELL as the negatives.

[PinkSocks]

Tell you what, the people who do leave from England to Bulgaria etc will make an absolute fortune if they are smart. I think it is about time the British stopped complaining and asking WHY British firms are employing Eastern Europeans. It isn't simply to do with pay; I've talked to farmers who say they WANT to employ British people, but they then question why on earth would they British people MORE money who will then put in very little effort. I got a job after an 8 month search; but now coming to the end of this job I've been told if I EVER want to go back I will have a job, if I EVER need a reference I can contact the manager directly; this is down to my work ethic - something too many British people lack, whilst they continually moan about the "bloody Eastern Europeans".

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I think your signature may be too big too.

Its not all down to jobs, I would like to recommend a documentary to you that aired on bbc two (it was called here come the poles). It shows the other problems that new languages have caused in schools, we spend extra money hiring translators in schools, doctors practices, alongside police officers, in the documentary you see a school where only one child speaks English as their first language. Its a fact that the Romania and Bulgaria will see more of the benefits than we will, im sorry to tell you.

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So when all the people from Romania and Bulgaria come over, which countries will we moan about next?

Which ever country is next to join the EU i guess :-P

[AgnesIO]

Its not all down to jobs, I would like to recommend a documentary to you that aired on bbc two (it was called here come the poles). It shows the other problems that new languages have caused in schools, we spend extra money hiring translators in schools, doctors practices, alongside police officers, in the documentary you see a school where only one child speaks English as their first language. Its a fact that the Romania and Bulgaria will see more of the benefits than we will, im sorry to tell you.

Check my post above this one - you accidentally posted twice

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Roma to my knowledge have Romanian citizenship dear, thus are included in the estimates

Then your knowledge is, as often, well off the mark. Why on earth would you assume that the Romani all have Romanian citizenship? Those who live in Romania may well do just like they may have citizenship of whichever country they live in and gain legal rights in, but this article is explicitly stating "Roma" instead of Romanian, and the two are not the same. This is a move to open up Romania and Bulgaria and whatever your views on that it is misleading to say that this is a Romani issue, especially since the two countries have on average a 4% Romani population - it's like saying if Brits are allowed to emigrate to Korea the country will suddenly be full of black people

[PinkSocks]

I replied to your post about jobs, now you're saying it isn't all about jobs... in all seriousness, there is NOTHING that states we have to have school signs in Polish or Arabic etc - it is ridiculous that we do this, and I totally agree it should be stopped.

Do you want me to tell you another fact? Eastern European immigrants have paid MORE into our tax system than they have ever taken out, and it is about time people started recognising the benefits they bring AS WELL as the negatives.

I understand what you're saying, I think it would be a big mistake to open our borders to yet more countries where the people wanting to come to the UK is higher than those who want to leave, i hope you agree that the system is practically one way. It seems ridiculous when we're already FULL, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVP0RRvl2WE) (watch from 1:26) Although our birth rate is under control, nearly 500,000 immigrants arrived in the UK last year, according the world Atlas (http://www.worldatlas.com/aatlas/pop...tydensityh.htm) we have a higher population density than CHINA. This is going to increase competition for jobs, regarding your point that Eastern Europeans have a better work ethic, its one thing to have healthy competition but its another to be completely stripped of work in your own country.

[AgnesIO]

I understand what you're saying, I think it would be a big mistake to open our borders to yet more countries where the people wanting to come to the UK is higher than those who want to leave, i hope you agree that the system is practically one way. It seems ridiculous when we're already FULL, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVP0RRvl2WE) (watch from 1:26) Although our birth rate is under control, nearly 500,000 immigrants arrived in the UK last year, according the world Atlas (http://www.worldatlas.com/aatlas/pop...tydensityh.htm) we have a higher population density than CHINA. This is going to increase competition for jobs, regarding your point that Eastern Europeans have a better work ethic, its one thing to have healthy competition but its another to be completely stripped of work in your own country.

We're not technically full; Japan for example has a population TWICE the size of ours, and yet it is only about 50% larger in area. I am certainly not saying we could do with more people, but we certainly are not full. Also, your comparison of China is not really fair; they have a gigantic population but have you not seen the size of their area?

If I run a business and I can hire a Polish person who will work twice as hard as a British worker, I can tell you now who I will be employing.