Farage utterly destroyed on air

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Wooooooo I can scour responses for top comments too

Those aren't top rated comments, you have to go quite a bit down to find them. You lie.

[The Don]

AGAIN with the slurs.

What part of my post was incorrect?

What minorities have they targeted? They've said they want to control our borders with the EU which includes Germans, French, Spanish, Portugeese, Greeks, Romanians, Lithuanians, Italians, Dutch, Danish, Belgians, Swedes and COUNTLESS other European nations.

I am SICK of people like you trying to shut down the debate on immigration by claiming that wanting controlled borders = racism. Go and do one.

And that's not what i've said if you would care to read my post properly without getting angry and resorting to playing a helpless victim. Wanting to control borders is not racist, the campaign and the way Ukip is demonising particular minorities is racist.

Because if you live in an area where nobody speaks your own language, you'll feel very isolated. Lanaguage is the foundation of a nation.

There's a difference between being Bilingual and not being able to speak English.

If people like you arrogantly continue to ignore legit concerns such as this and dismiss them as small minded when they're actually very important for community relations and integration, then you are storing up huge tensions that will spill over on the streets. Be warned.

The only arrogant one here is you telling people to "go do one" because you don't like receiving due criticism.

[FlyingJesus]

Because there's only so many times you can be asked 'ARE YOU ALL RACISTS' and reply no without it getting boring. Basically, O'Brian kept reading out silly comments made by some Ukip members.... what else did he want Farage to say other than they would be suspended/have been suspended and that the party rejects those comments? This racism ******** has been done to death.

That was what the interview was about, that's what Farage accepted to go on air about. Nonetheless, quite a lot of other questions arose if you listen to the interview

Exactly, so why are the other three party leaders not being given the same ride by racist assaults/comments made by THEIR candidates/councillors?

He did say in the interview that he was going to grill them too. Nul points.

Oooh so you think we're small minded and stupid for wanting to control Britain's borders like any other country does?

I really hope you and the media keep this arrogant attitude up. You're totally out of touch with the majority.

Nope but well done on making up phrases for me, that's a good debate tactic. However if the majority of people are racists who can't read immigration figures properly I'm glad to not be a part of them

But you've said in the past have you not that you think it's absolutely fine that areas of this country don't speak English?

So our positions are clear: you think thats fine (because you don't live among it) and I think that's a bad thing for integration.

As for Farage's claim, it wouldn't surprise me if he is correct. At the very best, you'll probably only get broken English in these ghettos.

Ahhhh yes, make up my mind for me (about which you are wrong) and then go on to claim that DEM FORINUZ can't possibly speak true English as opposed to the wonderful uses of it that we see all around by pure-bred white Brits. You are literally making claims out of your arse

Those aren't top rated comments, you have to go quite a bit down to find them. You lie.

That's funny I thought top rated comments were the ones with lots of likes, not just the ones that had last been posted

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What part of my post was incorrect?

That is a factual statement, 29m Romanians and Bulgarians now have the same right to come to Britain as you or I.

So what's your problem with it? It's targeting a minority (of 29m!) to point out the facts?

And that's not what i've said if you would care to read my post properly without getting angry and resorting to playing a helpless victim. Wanting to control borders is not racist, the campaign and the way Ukip is demonising particular minorities is racist.

What race is the campaign targeting?

There's a difference between being Bilingual and not being able to speak English.

And there's a difference between huge areas only speaking their native languages to one another and two English girls who can speak German.

The only arrogant one here is you telling people to "go do one" because you don't like receiving due criticism.

Because I have had enough of the racism jibe.

If I am racist for wanting to end open border immigration from the EU then I stand as guilty as charged.

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That was what the interview was about, that's what Farage accepted to go on air about. Nonetheless, quite a lot of other questions arose if you listen to the interview

In which part is that stated?

He did say in the interview that he was going to grill them too. Nul points.

HAHAHA oh yeah. Rightttttt. Well considering this has been going on for over a year now, we're still to see them subjected to this questioning.

Nope but well done on making up phrases for me, that's a good debate tactic. However if the majority of people are racists who can't read immigration figures properly I'm glad to not be a part of them

You mean like the extra 29,000 Romanians and Bulgarians who have arrived in the last year and the fact that Net migration is UP?

Those ONS statistics?

Ahhhh yes, make up my mind for me (about which you are wrong) and then go on to claim that DEM FORINUZ can't possibly speak true English as opposed to the wonderful uses of it that we see all around by pure-bred white Brits. You are literally making claims out of your arse

And again you bring race into it when it has nothing to do with race.

You can't debate things like immigration & integration without giggling like a little baby, i'm done with you on it.

That's funny I thought top rated comments were the ones with lots of likes, not just the ones that had last been posted

Yup, the top rated ones with most likes, and to see the ones you posted you have to scroll down a fair bit to see any anti-Farage comments.

[The Don]

That is a factual statement, 29m Romanians and Bulgarians now have the same right to come to Britain as you or I.

So what's your problem with it? It's targeting a minority (of 29m!) to point out the facts?

I'm not questioning the validity of the statement on it, I'm pointing out that demonising a minority group and stirring up hate is absolutely racist. It's making them the enemy, they're taking our jobs.

What race is the campaign targeting?

That particular leaflet/campaign is targeting Romanians and Bulgarians.

And there's a difference between huge areas only speaking their native languages to one another and two English girls who can speak German.

How is there a difference if both groups are speaking a different language but are capable of speaking English?

Because I have had enough of the racism jibe.

What else should I call a party that spreads hate and fear about specific minorities?

If I am racist for wanting to end open border immigration from the EU then I stand as guilty as charged.

Ah, putting words into my mouth. I haven't called you racist, unless you are Ukip?

[alexxxxx]

not been on here for a while (a year or so?). thought i'd see what was being said after I saw this posted on HP.

UKIP have had a pretty good ride with the media, pretty much popping up everywhere. There's probably been more discussion of UKIP than Lib-Dem.

UKIP are under the spotlight because theyre now being seen as a major threat to the traditional 3 parties and probably are under a bit of an unofficial controlled campaign against them. These questions are interesting because Farage has performed very poorly in this interview as being a competent leader.

The reason why the questions about racism are valid is that the opinion polls suggest people do believe that UKIP are racist (rightly or wrongly). People are uncomfortable with racists (and more so when they're in power) and so therefore it is a particularly valid thing to talk about. UKIP are very good at putting out implicit xenephobic messages, but as theyre not explicit they can always backtrack - such as in this interview.

jesus i signed up to this forum getting on 10 years a go - does habbo hotel still even work.

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I'm not questioning the validity of the statement on it, I'm pointing out that demonising a minority group and stirring up hate is absolutely racist.

So how can we discuss the issue if we do not state the facts that freedom of movement HAS been extended to Romania and Bulgaria?

And again, what race does it target? Even if you believe the posters target a group, that does not make it racist lmao.

It's making them the enemy, they're taking our jobs.

The politicians are the enemy for allowing this to happen.

That particular leaflet/campaign is targeting Romanians and Bulgarians.

It's not targeting anybody, it's pointing out that FOM has been extended to both countries - which is a fact.

You are so desperate to shut down the debate and your so desperate to want to believe Ukip are racist that your twisting reality.

How is there a difference if both groups are speaking a different language but are capable of speaking English?

Are huge areas of this country now dominated by people who only speak German and French in public? yes or no.

What else should I call a party that spreads hate and fear about specific minorities?

That is rhetoric straight out of the Hope Not Hate handbook and i'm not having it. Either engage with the facts rather than emotion, or dont.

Ah, putting words into my mouth. I haven't called you racist, unless you are Ukip?

I subscribe to their beliefs that our borders should be controlled and that immigrants should integrate, am I therefore a racist?

The reason why the questions about racism are valid is that the opinion polls suggest people do believe that UKIP are racist (rightly or wrongly). People are uncomfortable with racists (and more so when they're in power) and so therefore it is a particularly valid thing to talk about.

Welcome back.

And the poll you refer to actually only had 20-something % saying they believed Ukip are racist, leaving 80% odd saying they're not.

I could commission a poll asking 'Do the Tories hate the rich?' and get similar numbers in the polling, yet Dave isn't challenged 24/7 on it.

[The Don]

So how can we discuss the issue if we do not state the facts that freedom of movement HAS been extended to Romania and Bulgaria?

And again, what race does it target? Even if you believe the posters target a group, that does not make it racist lmao.

By targeting the EU as the fault for open borders, not the Romanian or Bulgarian immigrants who have done nothing wrong. Rather than making the EU the enemy, those adverts are making the immigrants the enemy and are spreading fear about them. I think that’s racist and apparently a large portion of the voting population do as well.

The politicians are the enemy for allowing this to happen.

That’s not what those adverts are showing, they’re making the immigrants the enemy.

It's not targeting anybody, it's pointing out that FOM has been extended to both countries - which is a fact.

It’s not targeting anybody yet it explicitly names Romania and Bulgaria? Even the ones that don’t name specific countries are targeting immigrants.



Nice bit of propaganda there, making the immigrants the enemy. They're after my job. You may not call spreading fear and hate about specific minorities racist, but I do.

Are huge areas of this country now dominated by people who only speak German and French in public? yes or no.

Are any huge parts of this country dominated by people that can't speak English?

That is rhetoric straight out of the Hope Not Hate handbook and i'm not having it. Either engage with the facts rather than emotion, or dont.

I have quite clearly backed up why this is true. The Ukip campaigns are making immigrants the enemy and are spreading hate and fear about them. Telling the British public they are coming here to take 'our' jobs is definitely not portraying them in a positive light, or giving them a good reputation to the masses.

I subscribe to their beliefs that our borders should be controlled and that immigrants should integrate, am I therefore a racist?

No, but if you go around putting up huge billboards and posters spreading hate about specific immigrants then you are.

[GommeInc]

In all fairness none of the other major party leaders know who their councillors are so it's good to see he's somewhat normal in that area.

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By targeting the EU as the fault for open borders, not the Romanian or Bulgarian immigrants who have done nothing wrong. Rather than making the EU the enemy, those adverts are making the immigrants the enemy and are spreading fear about them. I think that’s racist and apparently a large portion of the voting population do as well.

But you have to point out why open borders are bad and why it is such a big deal, and, it's because we're opening our borders up to two very poor Eastern European countries with high crime levels and which are stricken with poverty. There is a difference between French and Bulgarian immigration just as there's a difference between Brazillian and Pakistani - it is not waycist to point this out.

As for your claim concerning a large portion, a large portion maybe but not the majority. Ultimately with any political party half of the populatiom is going to disagree with you one way or another as politics by it's nature is polarising. Here are the polling results regarding the Ukip campaign which you are talking about...

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/472...ers-are-racist

However, a new poll from YouGov reveals most British voters don't share the criticism of the posters.

When asked whether they thought the advertising campaign was "racist", 59 per cent disagreed, compared to 34 per cent who agreed.

Among those who are planning to vote Conservative at the next general election, 69 per cent disagreed that the posters were "racist", compared to 27 per cent who agreed.

Similarly, 53 per cent disagreed with a description of the posters as "offensive and ignorant", compared to 39 per cent who agreed.

By contrast, more than half (57 per cent) of those asked agreed the advertising is "a hard-hitting reflection of reality".

A lot of people, excluding the hand wringers, believe the posters are fine.

That’s not what those adverts are showing, they’re making the immigrants the enemy.

If you are a builder who has had his wages compressed by mass immigration from Eastern Europe over the past decade, then you are going to look at the people coming into the country as the problem as they are the ones who are taking away your trade. That's a natural human reaction. The purpose of Ukip is to funnel those frustrations and concerns - which are legit - at the ballot box targeting the people who are really to blame which are the establishment politicians of the cartel.

If you and others continue to try and constrict this debate, then you are storing up violence.

It’s not targeting anybody yet it explicitly names Romania and Bulgaria? Even the ones that don’t name specific countries are targeting immigrants.

Because Romania and Bulgaria are the two countries which have just opened up their borders, duh. We were having the same discussion a few years back on Polish immigration - was that TARGETING the Polish? No, it was a sensible debate.

Nice bit of propaganda there, making the immigrants the enemy. They're after my job. You may not call spreading fear and hate about specific minorities racist, but I do.

Well then you are going to lose (you've lost the actual debate already) because that bullcrap doesn't work anymore.

Are any huge parts of this country dominated by people that can't speak English?

Huge parts of the country are dominated by areas in which people only speak in public in their native languages, yes.

I have quite clearly backed up why this is true. The Ukip campaigns are making immigrants the enemy and are spreading hate and fear about them. Telling the British public they are coming here to take 'our' jobs is definitely not portraying them in a positive light, or giving them a good reputation to the masses.

But they are coming here to take British jobs.

Ukip are not to blame for pointing that out, your anger should be directed at the politicians who allowed this to happen.

No, but if you go around putting up huge billboards and posters spreading hate about specific immigrants then you are.

HATE WAAAAAA WAYCISM WAAAAAA BIGOTED WAAAAA HOW DARE ANYBODY DISAGREE WITH ME OR DARE VOICE A CONTROVERSIAL OPINION. Boring boring boring boring boring BORING. Empty pansy rhetoric. You are again twisting reality into what you want to see. The majority of Britons disagree with you, as shown by the poll I posted above.

Debate the issue of mass immigration with us properly, or continue to slur and lose public support as you have done.