Ban all drinks but water from the dinner table, parents told

[Kardan]

Nope, look above... moves are being made for yet more taxation, regulation and restrictions when it comes to food.

I just can't wait until they really start with internet regulation to protect the childrennnn, then you'll all be up in arms and it serves you right.

Well, it says 'considering options' - that's not 'Enforcing laws'.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Well, it says 'considering options' - that's not 'Enforcing laws'.

These sorts of ridiculous rules are already been enforced, apparently councils now have inspectors going around chip shops and restaurants inspecting - and this is how draconian and absurd this country has become - the number of holes in salt shakers. The new proposals will become law within the next few years, I guarantee it. But first the reports will be published by the quangos with proposals to be considered. As the comment I posted pointed out, these people (and I would include you in this) simply don't know when to stop. It's a constant salami slicing away of our freedoms.

We already know that Labour - who you will dutifully vote for - want to move sweets away from the front counter of supermarkets.

[Kardan]

These sorts of ridiculous rules are already been enforced, apparently councils now have inspectors going around chip shops and restaurants inspecting - and this is how draconian and absurd this country has become - the number of holes in salt shakers. The new proposals will become law within the next few years, I guarantee it. But first the reports will be published by the quangos with proposals to be considered. As the comment I posted pointed out, these people (and I would include you in this) simply don't know when to stop. It's a constant salami slicing away of our freedoms.

We already know that Labour - who you will dutifully vote for - want to move sweets away from the front counter of supermarkets.

From what I've read, it's just one council that's done what you said in your post - and it isn't an inspection on the number of holes in a salt shaker, but simply an inspection in the amount of salt in fast food outlets. Also worth noting it was a one off study (8 years ago now) carried out for only 15 days.

Of course though, if you read the Daily Mail, they'll portray it as health and safety gone mad

[-:Undertaker:-]

From what I've read, it's just one council that's done what you said in your post - and it isn't an inspection on the number of holes in a salt shaker, but simply an inspection in the amount of salt in fast food outlets. Also worth noting it was a one off study (8 years ago now) carried out for only 15 days.

Again, dodging the issue - I give you an example of the kind of ridiculous interference in our lives when it comes to what we eat, and you'll simply duck and dodge the issue with the likes of "well its not EVERY council" or "well it was only an inspection" just goes to show you really don't get the point. The point is, that moves are afoot on a national and a local level (at varying speeds, as it is with every piece of legislation or proposal across the country) for ever more regulations and restrictions to be placed on what we eat which has JACK to do with the government.

The fact that we have ever increasing salt regulations, councils inspecting the number of holes in salt shakers and now proposals for sweeties to be moved away from the front of the shop just show what your kind of mentality leads to. It's never ending and you need to be stopped.

Of course though, if you read the Daily Mail, they'll portray it as health and safety gone mad

Nice try at getting a Daily Mail jibe into the thread, but this article isn't from the Daily Mail. It's from the Telegraph.

If this isn't health and safety gone mad though (or food fascism as I prefer), i'd like to know what is. It's becoming absurd.

[Sian]

What the? Silly suggestion, if that's how it's staying. I used to hate plain water (if that's what they're talking about) and not because I had a load of sugary drinks when I was younger, water was bland (still is actually).

Absolute madness.

[scottish]

"The fact that we have ever increasing salt regulations, councils inspecting the number of holes in salt shakers and now proposals for sweeties to be moved away from the front of the shop just show what your kind of mentality leads to. It's never ending."

we don't though, as he said that was 8 years ago for 15 days in one area.

[-:Undertaker:-]

"The fact that we have ever increasing salt regulations, councils inspecting the number of holes in salt shakers and now proposals for sweeties to be moved away from the front of the shop just show what your kind of mentality leads to. It's never ending."

we don't though, as he said that was 8 years ago for 15 days in one area.

No no no, see you don't get it. I'm using the salt shaker example as an off the cuff way to point out how we've got ourselves to the absurd point of council inspectors now going around chip shops and takeaways. Do you not agree that was completely absurd and not the business of the council in question? Do you not also agree that Labour's recent proposals to move sweets away from the front of supermarkets are also absurd and a gross overstep of state power?

This is a general discussion on what the role of the state is in food and health, not one on Stockport council and salt shakers.

[Kardan]

Again, dodging the issue - I give you an example of the kind of ridiculous interference in our lives when it comes to what we eat, and you'll simply duck and dodge the issue with the likes of "well its not EVERY council" or "well it was only an inspection" just goes to show you really don't get the point. The point is, that moves are afoot on a national and a local level (at varying speeds, as it is with every piece of legislation or proposal across the country) for ever more regulations and restrictions to be placed on what we eat which has JACK to do with the government.

The fact that we have ever increasing salt regulations, councils inspecting the number of holes in salt shakers and now proposals for sweeties to be moved away from the front of the shop just show what your kind of mentality leads to. It's never ending and you need to be stopped.



Nice try at getting a Daily Mail jibe into the thread, but this article isn't from the Daily Mail. It's from the Telegraph.

If this isn't health and safety gone mad though (or food fascism as I prefer), i'd like to know what is. It's becoming absurd.

I was on about the council inspecting salt shakers being a Daily Mail article.

And you say I'm dodging the issue? I thought this thread was on about sugar and water at meal times, but you've started going on about a salt inspection by ONE council 8 years ago that took 15 days

It's a fact that the UK has a serious obesity problem. What is the harm in trying to reduce salt/sugar levels? If you miss the amount of salt you had on your chips, then add some yourself.

And what is the harm in removing single packs of sweets away from supermarket tills, and keeping them to just the sweets aisle? Did you complain when E-numbers started to get removed from things? Is Jamie Oliver your idea of Satan trying to get schools to eat healthy?

I mean, I can understand if the government started closing down fast food outlets because their salt output was too high, but suggesting chip shops to go from salt shakers with 3 holes to 1 hole is hardly the end of the world.

Anyway, what do you propose we do to try and solve the obesity problem?

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I was on about the council inspecting salt shakers being a Daily Mail article.

And you say I'm dodging the issue? I thought this thread was on about sugar and water at meal times, but you've started going on about a salt inspection by ONE council 8 years ago that took 15 days

Well as the thread creator let me tell you, this is intended to be a general discussion about food/government interference.

Sorted, next question.

It's a fact that the UK has a serious obesity problem. What is the harm in trying to reduce salt/sugar levels? If you miss the amount of salt you had on your chips, then add some yourself.

There's nothing wrong with trying to reduce salt levels, there is something wrong when the state starts using force to enforce it.

And what is the harm in removing single packs of sweets away from supermarket tills, and keeping them to just the sweets aisle? Did you complain when E-numbers started to get removed from things? Is Jamie Oliver your idea of Satan trying to get schools to eat healthy?

See, this is the difference between you and me and our outlook. That because I don't want Ed Miliband to regulate sweets at the front of the supermarket simply because it is not his business, you automatically and stupidly assume that I hate Jamie Oliver and would like to feed children all kinds of junk food until they're the size of a boulder. But what you cannot seem to grasp is the fact that what I am opposing is the state taking away our freedoms (which includes the right to make the wrong decisions).

I mean, I can understand if the government started closing down fast food outlets because their salt output was too high, but suggesting chip shops to go from salt shakers with 3 holes to 1 hole is hardly the end of the world.

Anyway, what do you propose we do to try and solve the obesity problem?

I don't pretend to be able to solve the problems/personal habits or vices of millions of people by using force or anything else, that's the fundamental philosophical difference between you (+the politicians) and I. As I said in the other thread, at heart I believe you're an authoritarian.

[Kardan]

Ah of course, taking away our freedoms.

First not being able to post bomb threats on twitter, and now having to walk to the sweets aisle to buy some chocolate buttons.

One step closer to becoming North Korea.