Pakistan School Massacre

[AgnesIO]

Horrific, very sad what has happened to these countrys as well as their religion since post-independence with the rise of Islamism. Especially when you see the pictures of the school girls in Iraq, Afghanistan and Iran during the 1950s without 15th century clothing on, they look like they could fit in in a western school.

RIP. Reminds me, the targeting of schools/educated, of what the Khmer Rogue used to do in Cambodia.

To my understanding, the reason Iraqi girls could have fit into Western schools in the 50's is because of British ownership; ie. the British changed the way they dressed etc to fit the British way - on that basis, it is hardly surprising! They only wear head scarfs now, though, don't they?

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132 children murdered, alongside 9 adults. A barbaric act, one that is truly sickening. Even the Afghani Taliban have branded it 'unislamic'.

[karter]

It's just so funny to me that you all once again fail to grasp the situation. This isn't what you think it is and what you want it to be.
Tehreek-i-Taliban did not attack people who wanted an education, and this is not a Malala-equivalent situation. This was done to avenge Pakistani military's operation Zarb-e-Azb in North Waziristan and large military deployment in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and FATA (aka Pashtunistan)...as I had mentioned above. The army school was attacked for the sole reason of getting back at Pakistani Army, with most, if not all victims being young boys. (See how your "school girls of Iraq" comment is extremely out of context)

"Reminds me", Taliban was long funded by the US government and the Pashtunistan conflict and militancy is essentially the fault of both British colonialism and Pakistani nationalism. ......

[-:Undertaker:-]

To my understanding, the reason Iraqi girls could have fit into Western schools in the 50's is because of British ownership; ie. the British changed the way they dressed etc to fit the British way - on that basis, it is hardly surprising! They only wear head scarfs now, though, don't they?

It is partly of course, but there's also the fact that many of the British-installed monarchs of the area post-independence who were toppled in the 1950s and 1960s were also wanting to modernise their countries: until overthrown by republican socialists backed by the Soviet Union followed by their morphing into/overthrow by the even worse Islamists. In short, it has got worse and worse.

Persia is obviously the most well-known and extreme case with the overthrown of the Shah.

It's just so funny to me that you all once again fail to grasp the situation. This isn't what you think it is and what you want it to be.
Tehreek-i-Taliban did not attack people who wanted an education, and this is not a Malala-equivalent situation. This was done to avenge Pakistani military's operation Zarb-e-Azb in North Waziristan and large military deployment in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and FATA (aka Pashtunistan)...as I had mentioned above. The army school was attacked for the sole reason of getting back at Pakistani Army, with most, if not all victims being young boys. (See how your "school girls of Iraq" comment is extremely out of context)

"Reminds me", Taliban was long funded by the US government and the Pashtunistan conflict and militancy is essentially the fault of both British colonialism and Pakistani nationalism. ......

My dear, I know you think this is your time to shine and show yourself off as know-it-all purely because you were born in the subcontinent, but I do not deny and did not deny anything you have written: because I am aware of it already and the actors in the area. My comment was just a general comment which I have made before about how Islamic countries since the post-independence area have got worse and worse, and that it is very sad looking back at some of the pictures of that era of young girls knowing what it to come their way. A general comment. A general comment. A general comment.

Pipe down and don't try to look so clever, because for someone accusing me of taking things out of context: that's just what you did.

[karter]

My dear, I know you think this is your time to shine and show yourself off as know-it-all purely because you were born in the subcontinent, but I do not deny and did not deny anything you have written: because I am aware of it already and the actors in the area. My comment was just a general comment which I have made before about how Islamic countries since the post-independence area have got worse and worse, and that it is very sad looking back at some of the pictures of that era of young girls knowing what it to come their way. A general comment. A general comment. A general comment.

Pipe down and don't try to look so clever, because for someone accusing me of taking things out of context: that's just what you did.

Of course I'll share my views as far as the subcontinent is concerned as I clearly have more knowledge of the situation and the historical aspects as far as they're concerned and instead of making generalized, simplistic and hurried up comments*** (re: A general comment. A general comment. A general comment.) I simply provided facts, I didn't decontextualize the situation in Pakistan neither did I derail the discussion with the talks of Islamism in Iraq, a country hundreds of miles away, in a different subcontinent with different cultures, linguistics and ethnicity. Imagine me making a hasty comment of Gun laws of America while talking about the Sydney seige. If this was my time to "shine" I would have "shined" on the first page itself, before you chose to comment. I would have "shined" by starting the thread as soon as the news broke out. Besides, living in the subcontinent, I obviously experienced a greater impact than anyone else just like Sydney seige had an impact on Australians, see how that works? or no?

and since you're down to giving me such a precious advice of piping down, here's some from me. You're not always required to make a "general comment" on everything, especially when it comes to situations you have no understanding of, or if you choose to hear what you'd like to hear. Sometimes it's just best to sit down and not spread misinformed bs and not speak when your perspective seemingly does not matter. Similarly, I don't barge in making "general comments" about British Politics.

[karter]

It's just so funny to me that you all once again fail to grasp the situation. This isn't what you think it is and what you want it to be.
Tehreek-i-Taliban did not attack people who wanted an education, and this is not a Malala-equivalent situation. This was done to avenge Pakistani military's operation Zarb-e-Azb in North Waziristan and large military deployment in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and FATA (aka Pashtunistan)...as I had mentioned above. The army school was attacked for the sole reason of getting back at Pakistani Army, with most, if not all victims being young boys.

And by the way all of what I wrote above has already been covered by major international newspapers, either you're too uninterested or your choice of a newspaper is really bad.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Of course I'll share my views as far as the subcontinent is concerned as I clearly have more knowledge of the situation and the historical aspects as far as they're concerned and instead of making generalized, simplistic and hurried up comments*** (re: A general comment. A general comment. A general comment.) I simply provided facts, I didn't decontextualize the situation in Pakistan neither did I derail the discussion with the talks of Islamism in Iraq, a country hundreds of miles away, in a different subcontinent with different cultures, linguistics and ethnicity. Imagine me making a hasty comment of Gun laws of America while talking about the Sydney seige. If this was my time to "shine" I would have "shined" on the first page itself, before you chose to comment. I would have "shined" by starting the thread as soon as the news broke out. Besides, living in the subcontinent, I obviously experienced a greater impact than anyone else just like Sydney seige had an impact on Australians, see how that works? or no?

and since you're down to giving me such a precious advice of piping down, here's some from me. You're not always required to make a "general comment" on everything, especially when it comes to situations you have no understanding of, or if you choose to hear what you'd like to hear. Sometimes it's just best to sit down and not spread misinformed bs and not speak when your perspective seemingly does not matter. Similarly, I don't barge in making "general comments" about British Politics.

My friend, I know about the issues on the subcontinent hence why I actually don't and didn't say anything opposite to what you said: because i'm aware of them but don't feel the need to post a history lesson in this thread in order to look like a smarty pants. Let's be honest here: you thought you could make yourself look clever as well as trying to stick the knife in me (despite the fact I actually agree with a lot of what you said concerning the reasons for unrest in the region) by posting a long-winded response to what was just a general observation on the history of the region.

But you lost, now scuttle back to tumblr where i'm sure you rule the roost. Why are you even continuing this when we basically agree? Why? Your grudge.

[karter]

My friend, I know about the issues on the subcontinent hence why I actually don't and didn't say anything opposite to what you said: because i'm aware of them but don't feel the need to post a history lesson in this thread in order to look like a smarty pants. Let's be honest here: you thought you could make yourself look clever as well as trying to stick the knife in me (despite the fact I actually agree with a lot of what you said concerning the reasons for unrest in the region) by posting a long-winded response to what was just a general observation on the history of the region.

But you lost, now scuttle back to tumblr where i'm sure you rule the roost. Why are you even continuing this when we basically agree? Why? Your grudge.

Okay but why are you using my reply to you and posing that I was being the history teacher from the start lol, if it wasn't for your off-the topic comment I wouldn't have given the "history lesson" either. Besides my """history lesson""" was also directed at another person who said something about Taliban targetting education. I merely presented facts too, with a de-contextualized footnote equivalent to your Islamism in Iraq comment. But you know, take everything personally, ad-hominems work in your favour as well and close your post with a remark at tumblr. actually i do have a tumblr, it's a photoblog. (pss follow it!)

[-:Undertaker:-]

Okay but why are you using my reply to you and posing that I was being the history teacher from the start lol, if it wasn't for your off-the topic comment I wouldn't have given the "history lesson" either. Besides my """history lesson""" was also directed at another person who said something about Taliban targetting education. I merely presented facts too, with a de-contextualized footnote equivalent to your Islamism in Iraq comment. But you know, take everything personally, ad-hominems work in your favour as well and close your post with a remark at tumblr. actually i do have a tumblr, it's a photoblog. (pss follow it!)

It isn't off-topic, just a comment at how stories like this remind me of photos of Islamic society decades back. It really is that simple.

[AgnesIO]

It is partly of course, but there's also the fact that many of the British-installed monarchs of the area post-independence who were toppled in the 1950s and 1960s were also wanting to modernise their countries

Modernise by who's definition? This is exactly the problem that development across the world faces. The West ideology accepts only the Wests way of life.

[Empired]

What I find most disgusting of all is how @karter; and @-:Undertaker:-; sit there squabbling whilst this thread was supposed to be a small way to mourn the lives lost in this attack. Not just one, but at least 140 little lives were taken but all the two of you can do is argue about the facts. I understand that Current Affairs is normally about facts and figures but this is an exception. I know no one except regular HabboxForum users will see this thread but it makes me feel slightly sick to know that proving the possibility that you may be right is more important to you both than the fact over 140 innocent people lost their lives.

It seems like the two of you are long-term bickerers but why can't you, just this once, get along? At the very least you could continue this insignificant argument in some other thread. It just seems so disrespectful and, well, petty... Perhaps I'm alone in thinking this but I feel like your silly little argument belittles the lives that were lost. Please, if you want to defend yourselves and give me all that "oh but he started it" or "oh but he's just reading into my words because he hates me", just send me a -rep. Disagree with me all you like but don't belittle this thread further.

I have no more words to describe what's happening but my thoughts will be with their families and the survivors.