Morals and Values

[FlyingJesus]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-23267842
Abortion rates amongst teens seems to be falling and falling and falling

From 2012 to 2013 abortion rates increased a MASSIVE 0.1% and then dropped 0.4% - and 37% of abortions in 2014 were to women who had already had one or more abortions, so there is no pandemic of abortions, just the same people making the same mistakes generally. A very small group of people are carrying on as they always did, but I see no evidence of national moral breakdown. There is almost no way of suggesting that sex ed has failed in any way unless you blinker yourself and pretend that pre-1990 there was no such thing as STDs.

[AgnesIO]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-23267842
Abortion rates amongst teens seems to be falling and falling and falling

From 2012 to 2013 abortion rates increased a MASSIVE 0.1% and then dropped 0.4% - and 37% of abortions in 2014 were to women who had already had one or more abortions, so there is no pandemic of abortions, just the same people making the same mistakes generally. A very small group of people are carrying on as they always did, but I see no evidence of national moral breakdown. There is almost no way of suggesting that sex ed has failed in any way unless you blinker yourself and pretend that pre-1990 there was no such thing as STDs.

We have one of the highest teenage pregnancy rates in Europe - and 1 in 5 pregnancies are aborted.

[Kardan]

Only because of mass abortion of thousands of unborn babies every year.

Sex education has massively failed.

Except that there's more abortions in every single age category in the UK than Under 18's, so it's not as if teenagers are leading the way in abortions.

Number of abortions per age group in England and Wales during 2014:

Under 18: 11,048
18-19: 16,407
20-24: 52,722
25-29: 44,157
30-34: 32,108
35+: 28,129

So teenage pregnancy is at it's lowest since the 60's and relatively the teenagers are the least likely to have an abortion.

[FlyingJesus]

We have one of the highest teenage pregnancy rates in Europe - and 1 in 5 pregnancies are aborted.

Fab that just means everyone else is doing even better. Where is the 1 in 5 stat from? All I can find on the matter are media reports based on broken sources, can't get at the raw data which is annoying. Regardless, it's still true that these are largely the same people repeating their mistakes as opposed to a widespread problem that requires action

[AgnesIO]

Fab that just means everyone else is doing even better. Where is the 1 in 5 stat from? All I can find on the matter are media reports based on broken sources, can't get at the raw data which is annoying. Regardless, it's still true that these are largely the same people repeating their mistakes as opposed to a widespread problem that requires action

The teenage pregnancy rate stat is from the World Bank; http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/...last&sort=desc

ONS said that there were 700,000 live births in 2013, whilst the UK Government has the number of abortions down at 185,000 for the same year. The total is therefore 885,000, meaning (185000/885000)*100 = 20.90% ie. 1 in 5.

My statement is based off of fact, yours is not. 37% of women apparently had had a previous abortion; meaning that 63% of abortions were not 'by the same people making the same mistakes'.

[FlyingJesus]

37% is a huge amount statistically, but good luck with trying to call hard statistics not fact. The fact is that abortion is on the decrease, especially in teens - even since 2013 where your argument is based. To quote the report, abortion is at "the lowest rate since 1997: 0.2% lower than in 2013, 6.4% lower than in 2004".

ps: I'm not disputing the 1 in 5 figure, I just wanted to know where it was from, but another fact is that your link doesn't even show what you're saying it shows. It's really quite important to know what's in your sources if you want to look informed. There is literally nothing at all on that page that mentions abortion.

[Metric1]

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[AgnesIO]

37% is a huge amount statistically, but good luck with trying to call hard statistics not fact. The fact is that abortion is on the decrease, especially in teens - even since 2013 where your argument is based. To quote the report, abortion is at "the lowest rate since 1997: 0.2% lower than in 2013, 6.4% lower than in 2004".

ps: I'm not disputing the 1 in 5 figure, I just wanted to know where it was from, but another fact is that your link doesn't even show what you're saying it shows. It's really quite important to know what's in your sources if you want to look informed. There is literally nothing at all on that page that mentions abortion.

Oh, you are right! Just like my post said; "The teenage pregnancy rate stat is from the World Bank".

The abortion stat is, as stated, from the ONS. You can find that very easily yourself. But yes, well done for showing that your ability to read my post matches that of a reader of ​the Sun.

[FlyingJesus]

My bad, I guess I just assumed that you were actually replying to the question I'd asked rather than posting something totally different about something that I never disputed, how silly of me. Have you been getting lessons from Dan? Going off on a tangent when you're shown to be wrong, top tactic

[AgnesIO]

My bad, I guess I just assumed that you were actually replying to the question I'd asked rather than posting something totally different about something that I never disputed, how silly of me. Have you been getting lessons from Dan? Going off on a tangent when you're shown to be wrong, top tactic

Are you completely dim, or do you just pretend to be?

I gave the source of the 1 in 5 stat in my post. I also gave further information.