UKIP set to admit to being single issue

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@FlyingJesus; what are you talking about, you are all over the place. what's 2015 got to do with upcoming regional elections and a referendum? :S

they got what the polls were predicting in % share and held up pretty good in the run up from the election, dropping from around the 15% average mark to the 12% they recieved in the election - most media pundits predicted they've dive under the 10% mark when it came to it but they did not. 4 million votes. sure on seats under FPTP they missed and flopped but that was always a huge possibility with the voting system.

you seem determined to relive the last election. the next campaign is the referendum darling, which was the whole point of ukip back in 1993.

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"What's the national public popularity of a single issue party got to do with the potential outcome of national public action on that same issue, pushed by those same people?" really like I know you keep asking for extra clarifications on obvious points and ignoring the main path of conversation but even so it's not that difficult to follow the general direction... especially since it's YOUR questions and misleadings that I'm responding to. For someone so hopelessly stuck in the past you sure are making a big effort to pretend that it no bearing on the situation here

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@FlyingJesus;

you do realise there's people other than Ukip who want EU withdrawal, right? Like 50% odd of the population.

i know you'd love it allllll to be about ukip but it really isn't hence the reason why Farage is putting the party second behind the referendum campaign. get it son?

For someone so hopelessly stuck in the past

eh what? what am i stuck on the past on, you're the one wanting to go over the 2015 GE results.

[FlyingJesus]

Your life and morals in general, and I never said that only UKIP want out of the EU. They are however the only party of any significant size/voice that focuses SOLELY on that issue, and so it's entirely logical to assume that the Eurosceptics who aren't 3 inches deep in Farage view a great many number of other issues to be of equal or greater importance, and so it's completely right to state that the people who believe a referendum is "x100 more important than any London, Welsh, Scottish, NI or Local Elections" are in the minority.

Follow the thread of discussion back, follow what it is I'm replying to, stop assuming that absolutely everything is a general statement when it's so clearly specific to the inflammatory parts of your posts that I'm responding to. It's really very important to know what it is you're replying to, and it's not especially difficult here because everything is written down available to be read and reread should you choose to do so.

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Your life and morals in general

I often find that labelling someone's opinions as 'outdated' is just a lazy way of saying you disagree with some of their opinions.

@FlyingJesus;

Constitutionally and politically nobody can seriously claim (apart from you that is) that frequent party political elections to bodies such as Stormont, Holyrood, Cardiff and Liverpool Town Hall are equivilent to a once-in-a-lifetime vote on whether or not Westminster retains or surrenders its centuries old role as the supreme law making organ of this realm or whether that power is continued to be passed to foreign bodies on the European continent.

In fifty years time and constitutionally it matters not whether Plaid Cymru win a plurality of seats in Cardiff in 2015 or whether Labour retain control of the Liverpool council for the next two years. It does matter however whether or not Westminster surrenders or retains its centuries-old function as a sovereign parliament. It matters enormously and you stating otherwise doesn't alter those constitutional and political facts, not even when you keep trying to bring Nigel Farage into it in every sentence as though he's the be-all and end-all of arguments as to why this country may want to retain its national independence.

The Parliament Act of 1911 may not have interested everyone but who can argue that it wasn't a hugely important political and constitutional change?

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Heaven forbid that Nigel Farage is mentioned in a thread about the actions of Nigel Farage... and you're still not getting that I haven't said that a referendum wouldn't be a big thing, just that it's not seen as the most important part of British politics by the majority of voters as shown by the fact that it wasn't a big enough selling point to make people defect in their millions to the party that has just that in its sights.

Also you seem to somehow actually believe that nothing in the UK ever gets done by British politicians and that we're genuinely ruled from afar. The reality of course is that it's just an extra layer of hierarchy like we've always had anyway, as opposed to Donald Tusk suddenly becoming our lord and emperor with absolute power

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@FlyingJesus; oh yes it's always been a trouble getting people interested in constitutional issues, which is one of the reasons I admire Farage for successfully linking the immigration issue to the European issue: to win a withdrawal we have to show people how Europe affects them rather than dry constitutional arguments which don't cut the mustard with the man on the street. It's like I was talking with my mum yesterday on how the EU affects trade with Commonwealth and how we get higher food prices, and she didn't know that and said how like that needs to be shown to the public in a referendum as it's a relatable issue.

And on the final part, this really is unprecedented in our history to have the powers of Westminster limited. It's often said one of the reasons we've never had a revolution is because our constitution is so flexible and isn't rigid in that it's a product of it's time: I regard it as my right and as a guardian of this country for future generations to restore powers to Westminster so that we have accountable and flexible government for another thouand years (God willing). :angel: