Renegotiation completed with Brussels

[dbgtz]

I am quite surprised. I genuinely expected DC to try and weasel it a bit.

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I am quite surprised. I genuinely expected DC to try and weasel it a bit.

think he did propose a different question/answer thing but electoral commission changed it.

what we should really be voting on is the principle of whether or not we want "ever closer union" tbh because that's what is written in the treaties and where its going

[dbgtz]

think he did propose a different question/answer thing but electoral commission changed it.

what we should really be voting on is the principle of whether or not we want "ever closer union" tbh because that's what is written in the treaties and where its going

Yeah I honestly don't like how broad the idea is not just because it limits choice, but because it's open to abuse later on. Similarly with the Scottish independence referendum, it was too broad. There needs to be a second part which asks in the event of a "leave" vote, what would you see as best for the UK and use some proportional ranking system to find the most suitable alternative. I suspect a lot of people would be happy being in the market, just not the rest of it but alternatively, a lot of people just want out altogether, though no cooperation whatsoever is a ridiculously stupid outcome which I think even you can agree on.

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Yeah I honestly don't like how broad the idea is not just because it limits choice, but because it's open to abuse later on. Similarly with the Scottish independence referendum, it was too broad. There needs to be a second part which asks in the event of a "leave" vote, what would you see as best for the UK and use some proportional ranking system to find the most suitable alternative. I suspect a lot of people would be happy being in the market, just not the rest of it but alternatively, a lot of people just want out altogether, though no cooperation whatsoever is a ridiculously stupid outcome which I think even you can agree on.

i actually want out of the Single Market aswell longer term tbh, but if EEA membership was a stepping stone away from EU membership i'd take it.

my preference is:

negative> EU membership, European Economic Area (EEA), European Free Trade Association (EFTA), Bilateral Free Trade Agreement (FTA) with EU <positive


moving from EU to EEA would put us in the same position as the likes of Norway

moving from EU to EFTA would put us in same position as likes of Switzerland
FTA (my ideal scenario) would put us in bilateral situation. advantage to this would be a Commonwealth Trade Agreement being made possible.


but like i say even the EEA is supremely better than what we have now as it detatches us from political union. the Norweigans seem happy with it.

what do you think?

[dbgtz]

i actually want out of the Single Market aswell longer term tbh, but if EEA membership was a stepping stone away from EU membership i'd take it.

my preference is:

negative> EU membership, European Economic Area (EEA), European Free Trade Association (EFTA), Bilateral Free Trade Agreement (FTA) with EU <positive


moving from EU to EEA would put us in the same position as the likes of Norway

moving from EU to EFTA would put us in same position as likes of Switzerland
FTA (my ideal scenario) would put us in bilateral situation. advantage to this would be a Commonwealth Trade Agreement being made possible.


but like i say even the EEA is supremely better than what we have now as it detatches us from political union. the Norweigans seem happy with it.

what do you think?

When I said cooperation, I meant you don't just flat out ignore them rather work with them but also worth with others to maximise trade.

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When I said cooperation, I meant you don't just flat out ignore them rather work with them but also worth with others to maximise trade.

ohhh i see. well yeah one of my prime motives for leaving is that we sign FTAs with Commonwealth countries like India, Australia, Canada, Malaysia, Singapore etc now rather than vote to stay in a project that is falling apart (economically too) and end up leaving/being forced out in 10 years anyway but being 10 years behind in making FTAs with the economies which are going to matter over the next century.

i won't actually be gutted if we vote Remain as i think we'll be out/it'll collapse soon anyway. i'll just see it as a wasted opportunity putting off the inevitable.

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Big development today on the official campaign group which the Electoral Commission will decide. Now a 3-way split with GO, VL and L.EU.

Rumours also that Ukip may be preparing to disband after the referendum: http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/02...ign-stitch-up/